Point in depth: “I am abhogta, asochta and akarta”

“Baba says: Here, you don’t need to bow at anyone’s feet. I am Abhogta (beyond any effect of experience), Asochta (One who is free from thoughts) and Akarta (One who doesn’t do anything). You children are even greater than the Father because children are the masters of all the property of the Father. Therefore, I, the Father, salute you masters. You don’t need to bow down at all. Yes, regard does have to be given to young and old.”

Let us go into this paragraph. Let us go into it without preconceptions, traditions or dogmas.
Baba is just saying that God does not need worshiping. Baba is giving respect back to his “children.”
The ‘children’ inherit the property of the Father.

See that this is just a wonderful figure of language but there is no “inheritance” going on and the Father, God does not have any property. Why?
Because He is “abhogta.” (beyond experience.) Is “having” different than experiencing? 🙂
We need to experience “having” even though in Gyan we realize that no one can possess anything. Using it, is a better description.

“Pure” Gyan also assures us that everything is already within the Drama and when God is revealed to us, then we could “go to the Father’s property” in a “numberwise” fashion and only if it is in our role.

Because God is beyond any “effect” of experience, God cannot experience duality. Because God is “free from thoughts,” God cannot ‘think’ that something is good or bad.
Many times I hear the sentence: “God’s thinking.” 🙂 That is devotion. There is no knowledge there.
God is also “akarta,” meaning that “He does not do anything.” That is why the term ‘karankaravanhar,’ meaning, the “one who does through others,” exist. Therefore, any devotional idea of God which portrays God as human being with thinking abilities and the ability to do things at will is not accurate.

Just picture this point of light who is there in Parandham. Ever shiny, ever centered, ever pure, ever constant.
How is it possible for that soul to think anything such as: “This is hell?” How is it possible for Him to do anything as when we say: “Baba created this world.” How can we say:” Baba is unhappy when we do not follow Shrimat.” How can we say: “Baba is working hard for us,” etc; etc.

Please see that it is just plain knowledge from the Murli.
However, BKs have experienced the “doing,” the “thinking,” the “advice based on experience” from “up above.”
How is that possible?
That is Brahma, the father of Brahmin souls. His connection to God (BapDada) has changed in time. From the “sakar days” to “now.”
Nothing in this Drama remains ever the same.
Devotion must turn into Knowledge at some time.


  1. bhawnabhardwaj

    Hi dear brother,
    so I have also experienced baba’s company while doing work,his giving me advice in some situation,his thoughts being transferred to me whenever I connect to him or remember to him.So it that Brahma baba or shiv baba or both together as bapdada,pls clarify as I also understand that baba doesn’t think,doesn’t do anything n is beyond experience also.


  2. bhawnabhardwaj

    Hi brother,
    one more question,you have used a line your post “is having different than experiencing” please explain me the meaning of this line in the context of your post.
    Thanks a lot


    • avyakt7

      “Because He is “abhogta.” (beyond experience.) Is “having” different than experiencing? 🙂

      We need to experience “having” even though in Gyan we realize that no one can possess anything. Using it, is a better description.”

      It means that as souls we cannot “have” or posses anything. It is not “ours.” We merely experience that “belongs to us,” but in strictly speaking, we cannot have nothing but just experience it.


      • bhawnabhardwaj

        Hi brother,
        you wrote in your post that Brahma baba’s connection with god i.e. Bapdada from sakar days till now,so can you explain me this.,
        n when you say that it is Brahma who is playing the role then is it him only or Bapdada and can you please tell me that if god is not thinking so how shiv baba comes in Brahma baba pls explain me this pls pls pls I am waiting for your reply .


  3. bhawnabhardwaj

    Hi brother,
    You told in your post that “it is Brahma and also his connection with god I.e Bapdada has changed from sakar days till now”. Please explain me this and how shiv baba comes in Brahma baba if he never thinks and if he is constantly there in paramdham only,pls clarify this and also when you told that Bks experiencing the company of god is Brahma only not shiv baba as he doesn’t think Then you mean to say it is Brahma baba only who is doing service or you mean to say shiv baba through baba as shiv baba does service through others ,please clarify and explain this also,I am waiting


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