Question: Om Shanti. Thank you brother for your clear explanation about this. Could you please explain that how numberwise concept and the eternal return are related as you have said above.

Thank you for your follow up question.

I will go a bit deeper with this concept of “numberwise.” Also, under “Points in depth” I have written an article dealing with this concept. Many articles could be searched using the “search articles with keywords” box, under the “Follow” button. Just type NUMBERWISE and articles containing that keyword will come up.
Your question is related with this article:

There I wrote:

“On the World Cycle, there is no other religion or philosophy putting together powerful concepts such as “eternal return” with the explanation of cyclical time. When you put those 2 concepts together, there must be repetition. If you add the concept of “numberwise” in gyan, then that repetition will mimic the concept of entropy in science, going from low entropy into a high state to repeat again when reaching its highest state of entropy.”

The concept of “eternal return” basically points out that anything that exist will exist exactly the same, under the same circumstance at another time; which we know it is every 5000 years. Therefore, this concept of “repetition” is not really new in gyan. What is “new” is the time frame: 5000 years, which as we know, scientists believe that we have been on this Earth for millions of years (which in another article it was explained that our current rate of population demonstrates that the human race couldn’t be on Earth for millions of years.)
“Eternal return,” is not considered in Christianity, but it is a “must” in the cycle of time for if time moves in a circular fashion, is because “matter cannot be created neither destroyed, it can only be transformed.” (1st law of conservation of energy/matter.) and after many transformations of matter, it will come to be the same that was at one time before. This is explained in the “theorem of Poincare.”

Simply put, “”eternal return” explains that the cycle of time must repeat exactly as it was before. That repetition is made possible, because matter tends to degrade in time. That degradation is what entropy (higher entropy) means and what Baba explains simply as “going from Satopradhan, Sato, Rajo and Tamopradhan.” which is simply another way of explaining “numberwise.” ( A more clear example will be given below.)

That degradation of matter is placed back again into lower entropy through destruction, which as we know, will put the cycle again in the”beginning.” The cycle of destruction, creation, sustenance, destruction, etc. repeats as well.

The above is deep stuff.

The concept of “numberwise” could be explained with an example.
Let us say that there is a race, a 5 Km. race (3.1 miles) to complete this race, every runner will get there as fast as they can. Therefore, every single one of them will have a “different number” at the finish line. There is number 1, number 2, etc.

Some interesting things to notice:
1) There is no possibility for all runners to finish at the same time. This is why “equality” is utopia.

2) Not all runners have the same ability. Some will run under a 5 minute mile, some others above it, some other will jog and walk and some will just walk.

3) Even though we could give every runner the same training to complete the race at the same time, most will not be able to do the training if the goal is to work only with the faster runners. Brahma Kumaris gyan is catered towards becoming a “faster runner,” but in doing so, the bulk of competitors will not be able to perform at the same level. Notwithstanding, BapDada teaches for the “bulk of the runners,” BapDada does nto teach gyan so only the “faster runners” can get it. Paradox.

4) Even though there is an “objective” in this race, which is to “finish,” for some it will be to “finish first.” However, whether you finish first or last, everyone will finish according to their “capacity.” That capacity in spirituality as well as in the example of the race, is “fixed” in the Drama according to the roles that every soul is capable of, considering the ability of every soul to withstand the highest happiness and the highest sorrow. It works both ways.

5) In Nature, the concept of “numberwise” is observed when we mention “survival of the fittest.” Also when a “day changes into night,” there is this concept of numberwise going on, because the day changes little by little into the night as if further entropy is added (slower runners getting ot finish line) until the full night takes place. This is how “entropy” works.

6) Finally, It is interesting to note that this concept of numberwise takes place according to time. Brahma Baba is the “purest soul” according to his capacity; however towards the end of the Silver age, Brahma Baba’s soul will be “less pure” than mine. The reason is that Brahma Baba will be the first one becoming “impure” and then the rest will follow. This is an interesting point to note in gyan.

Hope these concepts are “clear” now 🙂 as you can see knowledge is not that easy after all… 🙂 and there is even more… 🙂

Best wishes!


  1. D

    You have been writting relentlessly on ‘numberwise’. THANK YOU.
    Baba is talking about numberwsise in today’s Avyakt Murli 30/9/12 . How apt! 🙂


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