Question: QUERY OF Dhwani – I don’t believe when they say that the atma that goes into the body of a human will go only into a human during every birth. whichever yug it was, it was always been the human being that has lived the most prestigious lives. and humans are the dominant species. in what way are these souls superior or inferior than the other souls that only we get to be born as humans? if all the souls are god’s children, then we should be treated equally and we must all experience all forms of life – which means we must perhaps take turns or something..why is a dog soul different from a human soul and why can’t it enter the world taking the form of a human in its next birth? the sister who taught me told me that it is because of its sanskars and explained that the dog has certain exclusive habits like lifting its leg for urinating, shaking its tail for some reasons etc..and it will tend to do the same things even if it is born as a human and so it is always born as a dog. i do not understand why i should belive this.. as far as i know, these attributes are only physical..and the atma as such is a point of light which does not carry these attributes with it. so going by the very theories told by brahmakumaris, it doesn’t make sense to me. can u pls explain this?

Thank you for your very good question!

Note that you are using comparative terms (superior, inferior species.) In Gyan, we understand that comparisons are meant only to understand concepts, but “comparisons” are not real, for every soul is numberwise.

There are no 2 souls alike, therefore; there is no basis for comparison.

I used to read the “Aesop’s fables,” when I was a child, and your question brought to my mind the fable of “The man and a lion.”
Here it goes:
“The Man and the Lion (Translated by George Fyler Townsend.)

A MAN and a Lion traveled together through the forest. They soon began to boast of their respective superiority to each other in strength and prowess. As they were disputing, they passed a statue carved in stone, which represented “a Lion strangled by a Man.” The traveler pointed to it and said: “See there! How strong we are, and how we prevail over even the king of beasts.” The Lion replied: “This statue was made by one of you men. If we Lions knew how to erect statues, you would see the Man placed under the paw of the Lion.”

This story pretty much explains your concern about animals “inferiority.” That is not so. It is merely a perception based on your human experience.
Humans abusing animals is a different story, not based on “superiority” but based on ignorance (do not understand/ignore the law of karma) and lack of sensitivity to some one else’s suffering.

As far as your statement: “if all the souls are god’s children, then we should be treated equally and we must all experience all forms of life – which means we must perhaps take turns or something.
As mentioned above, “equality” is utopia. It is non-existent, for we are numberwise. Being “God’s children,” is a “relationship” based to create endearment with God so we can remember Him. Animals do not need to remember God. Humans do, to rectify their deeds. Strictly speaking, God is the “Supreme soul,” just because He does not experience duality like the rest of the souls, but God is not a “Father” for He does not create souls.

In your questions: “why is a dog soul different from a human soul and why can’t it enter the world taking the form of a human in its next birth?”

According to BK gyan, the role of a soul is already “recorded,” and everything is “cause and effect,” and there is a maximum of 84 lives that could be lived in the kalpa. Also a soul experiences “entropy” (degradation) in every reincarnation.

Let me ask you: What types of activities will allow for a soul in the body of a dog to become a human being when considering the above? How is it possible for a non-reasoning soul to acquire reason? 🙂

The main “difference” is that human beings have the ability to reason, the ability to process ideas, the ability to deal with abstractions, which are required for spiritual “learning.” Animals do not have those “sanskaras.” As I said before, it doesn’t mean that they are “inferior,” but just “different” as the Aesop fable explained.

Therefore, a human soul can only take rebirth in a human species, for the sanskara of “intellectual abilities” is inherent in a human soul only.

Best wishes!

11 comments

  1. misswondergirl

    thank you for ur answer..i think i got a better idea now.. but i’m still not all that clear. please help me understand. first of all let me say – i am not someone who believes that other animals are inferior to us. they are in certain ways superior to us sometimes. they have more compassion and brotherhood than us. i agree.
    anyway, coming to my question…
    i do not understand why there should be some souls that can reason and some souls that can’t. if reasoning is the barrier, then i don’t agree. reasoning is an attribute of the brain of the body. not the soul. if soul is just a point of light, it should be able to get adjusted to any body. therefore reasoning i wouldn’t agree is a reason. or..ok, let me agree it for now. my question is – can a soul that goes into the body of a frog, go into the body of a dog in some other birth? both are non-reasoning? both don’t have the need to remember god? both have similarities? so can this switch happen? if not, please explain why.

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  2. avyakt7

    Hello,
    The soul is a point of light but there are “roles” already “recorded,” in it. Reasoning is a faculty of the soul, for reasoning requires ideas, ideas require thoughts and thoughts cannot exist in the brain for thoughts are immaterial. It is illogical to believe that a material organ like the brain, can create immaterial thoughts. See?
    in your last question, certainly it is possible for souls of one specie to go into another one (except human beings;) although; that is something which Baba hasn’t disclosed (as far as i remember.)
    Best wishes!

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  3. misswondergirl

    Excuse me? The brain thinks! Thoughts are made by the brain! And they are stored in the brain as what you call “remembrance” or “memory”. If thoughts and ideas are made by and stored in the soul, shouldn’t I now be able to tell about my previous birth?

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  4. avyakt7

    🙂 This is what you say:
    “reasoning is an attribute of the brain of the body” That is why I asked before; “what is the logic behind a material entity such as the brain to be able to create immaterial items such thoughts? How is that possible?”
    Please do not just repeat what you have learned, but show me the logic, the “reasoning” of what you are saying. Please answer that question above.
    How many thoughts does it take to fill up the brain?
    The creation has to have the qualities of the creator.

    On the other hand, thoughts, ideas, reasoning is immaterial, therefore they align better with the nature of the soul.
    Thoughts and ideas are not made by the soul. Thoughts and ideas are “roles” of the soul. Those parts play according to time.

    You never “create” thoughts, but those thoughts “play,” appear according to the soul’s part. … Now, if you get what I am explaining, we should go into “free will” and “predestination” pretty soon… 🙂

    “If thoughts and ideas are made by and stored in the soul, shouldn’t I now be able to tell about my previous birth?”

    Some people can. I wonder why you wouldn’t.?
    http://www.victorzammit.com/evidence/childrenwhorememberpastlives.htm

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  5. misswondergirln

    Let me answer your questions.. The frontal lobe of the brain is responsible for logic and reasoning. You can even find evidences on the web, to show that the brain thinks and the brain analyses. There are even pictures of changes that take place in the appearance of the brain while it thinks, analyses and reasons. The frontal lobe of the brain is what with which you think (make thoughts) ..and for your question how many thoughts does it take to fill the brain – http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_data_can_the_brain_store#page1 that’s the answer.
    It is scientifically proven that the brain creates about 70,000 thoughts every day on an average.
    And your question about material brain creating immaterial thoughts..there’s something called ‘brain waves’ and any stimulus or message that travels within the body is in the form of electrical signals. Thoughts are electrical signals as well, and with advancement of science, we can now decode the signals into words. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16811042
    And about people talking about their previous births..is there proof that it is true? (Sorry the link you gave me isn’t loading..I shall try later)

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  6. misswondergirl

    The frontal lobe of the brain is responsible for logic and reasoning. You can even find evidences on the web, to show that the brain thinks and the brain analyses. There are even pictures of changes that take place in the appearance of the brain while it thinks, analyses and reasons. The frontal lobe of the brain is what with which you think (make thoughts) ..and for your question how many thoughts does it take to fill the brain – http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_data_can_the_brain_store#page1 that’s the answer.
    It is scientifically proven that the brain creates about 70,000 thoughts every day on an average.
    And your question about material brain creating immaterial thoughts..there’s something called ‘brain waves’ and any stimulus or message that travels within the body is in the form of electrical signals. Thoughts are electrical signals as well, and with advancement of science, we can now decode the signals into words. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16811042
    And about people talking about their previous births..is there proof that it is true? (Sorry the link you gave me isn’t loading..I shall try later)

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  7. avyakt7

    Dear soul,
    Your first link is not answering the question of how many thoughts are needed to fill up the brain?
    It is merely giving an explanation on how this person believes the brain stores information. Interestingly enough; his “theory” is comparing the brain with a how a camcorder or a computer stores information.
    The issues with that theory is that no matter how small the “information” stored is, eventually the brain has to be filled up with information, right? That is logical. SO, have they found that threshold?
    Forgetting as a way to “empty the brain” is not truly forgetting, for psychologists will tell you that the “unconscious” always have that information which could be accessed via hypnosis or a regression.
    In your second link, scientists are finding electrical impulses from the brain and “decoding” it by arranging similar patterns from several individuals. So, if a person thinks “car” an electrical wave is recorded. If another individual thinks “car” then the same electrical pattern should come. That is great (even though I see many difficulties, for instance as far as being able to differentiate a red car thought from a blue car thought; or a red car in Sunday afternoon from a blue car in the corner of Nebraska and Tampa Avenue.) However, that does not explain how “immaterial thoughts” are surviving in our minds. When you think of a “car” you have an image in your mind, that image is immaterial. It is not an electrical impulse for you, but only once it manifests like that in the physical world. That electrical impulse does not have the picture of the car neither the sounds which you can hear in your mind.
    Also, just because the “brain” expresses those impulses, it does not mean that the brain is the origin of them. The brain cannot be the origin because what you and I experience “first” are immaterial thoughts which do not take up space in the brain to “store data.”
    That explanation is just based on what scientists know; that is computers and digital cameras. However, in gyan, we know that the soul has a role already in it. That role has everything that we experience; the brain merely expresses into the physical world those inner experiences. The brain is the car, the soul is the driver of the car. If the electrical system of the car does not work, the soul will not be able to express “light” to the physical world. But without a soul, the brain is unable to express thinking.
    On your “scientifically proven statement”:
    Here it says that the average person has over 30,000 thoughts per day.
    http://drleaf.com/thought_life.php

    According to this website: http://neuroskeptic.blogspot.com/2012/05/70000-thoughts-per-day-myth.html
    The only number that has been cited is 50000 thought s per day.
    And according to this site, the average person only has 36,000 thoughts per day.
    http://jobs.utah.gov/wi/pubs/womencareers/conflictatwork.html

    Anyone can throw a number and adding “000” at the end is the safest “estimate” that science can come up with.
    There is NO way that science can measure the number of thoughts per day, for even we have thoughts while being unconscious. This is plain logic and reason. If there are electrical impulses while being unconscious that could be measured, we know that “we” are not producing them for we are not “awake.” See the logic? Is just the role playing as Baba’s gyan points out.
    Please do not be deceived by “pseudo-science,” and popular “google searches.”
    This is the problem with believing in scientific data, it is a work on progress most of the time.

    If you cannot see my link, you could try searching for other similar links by simply googling “scientific proof of past lives.”
    Here a link for ya:
    http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

    best wishes!

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    • misswondergirl

      So…i guess I accept defeat. 🙂 thank you so much for your patient explanation. I now understand. But there is one question that still lies in my mind.. What happens to the souls that go into the species that go extinct? Will they come back during the next 5000 years cycle? And will they always spend this short span of time in our planet?

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  8. avyakt7

    Dear soul,
    We are just exchanging information. You perceived “defeat,” is actually “winning,” for you have the ability to “see” and not be constrained by “scientific dogma.”
    Science is good, but they cannot have “the answers,” for it is made by human beings so, it is a process of discovery….

    As far as an “species going extinct,” it may be but maybe not. Just because scientists cannot find the “Dodo bird,” it doesn’t mean that they are gone. However, in gyan we understand the concept of “numberwise” which explains gradual changes in matter. For instance this “Dodo bird,” comes from the same species of birds, however, at sometime that bird lost its ability to fly. Therefore, the same circumstances will arise again. Many species have evolved due to circumstances and adaptation to the environment. It does not take millions of years as science preaches As the environment “degrades” in time species will evolve to match that environment. So, yes.. they will come back again for everything that exists cannot be destroyed, only transforms in time. This is what the first law of conservation of matter and energy mentions.

    Best wishes and keep the realizations going! (That is what in the BK world is known as “churning.”)

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