Karma, Drama, Predestination and…. Confusion

“Om Shanti, Dear Brother, I have asked this question many times to many BKs but the answer i got was not convincing. We believe the fact that karma is my choice and man makes his own destiny we also believe the fact this world is a drama and it repeats itself and its predestined. Now, does that mean that my karma’s are also fixed, its just that i am making a ‘choice’ to make it happen according to the drama. Or If i have my freewill in doing the karma then how can the world drama be fixed it should vary every time. Please clarify. Regards”

Thank you for your question, dear reader… Avyakt7 has responded that question many times already in this blog, but you know… every time avyakt7 responds, it is somewhat a different response… 🙂

Here is my “straight” answer to the point and my latest “discovery..”

Dear reader, just forget about all of those concepts, dualistic ideas and beliefs.
The important thing is “NOW.” That is, are you happy? Are you at peace with yourself? Are you in harmony with everything? If not… why not? Discover that, Be it then Do it and all the above concepts will be taken care of for your benefit. That is all. 🙂

Even though, the above is avyakt7’s “best answer ever,” you may be hungry for concepts, you may be willing to get an explanation to answer your great question and finding.

You see, if most readers would go into these types of questions about “pure gyan,” without their own “hang ups” and were truly looking for answers rather than looking to conform with dogmas; many things will be discovered. But, reality is that it is easier to believe, to follow, to pretend to understand, etc.

So, here it is my long “conceptual” answer for intellectual “theory” minds.

The knowledge taught by the Brahma Kumaris is indeed a very deep knowledge. It is that deep that it was put in very simple terms by Brahma Baba, so uneducated people could be able to grasp it back then.

The issue is that because people’s tendencies is to take things literally, then dogma appeared and “black or white” thinking was established. This is not “bad.” It is necessary for the “majority,” who are engrossed in devotional practices and truly are unable to grasp deeper insight. This is not “bad” either. It is called “numberwise.” To have a deep mind is not necessary at all to really understand the simplicity of life and to live happy “NOW.” BUT, “NOW” we have different times than back then.

This is something that many do not realize.

Thus, you found that “my karma” and my “free will” or “choice” contradicts “predestination” and “eternal repetition.” Great finding! 🙂

When you are caught up in the “logic” of those concepts, there will be no “logical” answer. So, you will get at best the typical: ” We have a certain extent of free will, but there is also predestination.”
That is the popular “whishy washy” answer, or you can get a “fundamentalist” who will assure you that we have “free will” and that is why God can punish us for our misbehaviors… Or someone who can tell you that predestination is all there is and thus, you are destined to be someone.. You are a “puppet of destiny,” and there is nothing you can do about it.. 😦

Dear reader, everything in this Drama depends on our state of consciousness and not on how much logic we can think of.
When there is the consciousness of “I,” that is when the problem starts. Then “I” either feel trapped or “I” feel that “I” have a choice. However, as explained in many articles already and pointed out by many gurus and BapDada himself, the “I” is an illusion. Individuality is an illusion. Just because you have a body and “I” have a body, it doesn’t mean that we are “individuals” when in the Drama there is interdependence. Individuality is conceptual based on physical observation.

When we understand that “roles” are being acted through “us,” then we will forget about the biggest lie of all: “I do.” It is another illusion. It is a role going through. That is what we call the Drama when looked at from the unlimited perspective, but when looked at from the limited, we call that “karma.”

See? 🙂

Now, imagine for a moment an ego-less being. The one who is aware of “I” the soul, not as individuality but as being conscious of existence. How is that? A 3 year old is conscious of existence but he does not have consciousness of individuality yet. Now, for that soul conscious being, who is self aware, the roles running through him will be viewed as that: roles. That is a detached observer. Therefore, the concepts such as “free will” or “predestination,” will be completely meaningless for that being. Why?

Because that being is capable of being complete, fulfilled just by “BEING,” so “doing” is completely irrelevant. 🙂 (as on the other hand, it is relevant for an ego centered mind.)

However, as “doing” is aligned with “being,” his “doing” will be completely ego-less; that is, it will be beneficial, for it will go according to the Drama…and as we know…“The Drama is beneficial for all.”

As long as we are caught up in the consciousness of “I” as ego, we will only see conceptual contradictions. Nevertheless, now you can see how we arrive to avyakt7’s “best answer ever,” but after going through so many words.

Now, you could understand why a simple explanation of “karma” as being bad or good or neutral is used by the Brahma Kumaris. There is no such a thing as that. That is conceptual understanding. It is like trying to hold a picture and call it the “truth,” when there is a movie instead.

It is just a matter of consciousness, and everything is necessary as it is, however; there is a return on that which is neither good nor bad…necessary. Those roles will take us to a big circle.
Dear reader: Where is the destination in a big circle? 🙂 That is why “according to time” we know where the Drama is being directed. That is all we need to be aware of.

However, when it is about making the “little children,” understand deep concepts in easy to digest “good or bad” actions, then the explanation by Brahma Kumaris is “good.” But when you realize those contradictions…that is when you “grow up”… oh boy! do not ask those questions unless you want to get in trouble.. 🙂 The same has happened in every religion. Nothing new.

Best wishes!


  1. vvrisor

    “dualistic ideas and beliefs”
    “Discover that”
    “Are you in harmony with everything?”
    “Be it then Do it”
    Great realisation….from the experiences…avyakt7! Thank you….


  2. bloggyhead

    Yup i have made my peace with it. Your state of conciousness ie being a detatched observer is the free woll part.

    And your actions is your role ie predestined.

    And when you are in detatched /soul comciousness you will slowly start ovserving tgat everything outside is an illusion anyway due to its impermanacy. Then when you are being ie in soul conciousness you woll see ALL roles have equal value so it all just stops mattering and then you are FREEE yayyyyy!!!! 🙂


    • bloggyhead

      Another thing that helps me whoch i just thought of is when you are detached observer/soul concious:

      Its like everything thats happening to You will start feeling like its happening to someone else and so in effect the results of your karma start effecting you less and less good or bad its like both are happening to another person. Since “you” /ego are not there anymore. No body is home to feel karmas effect.

      Its like if you become a renowned actress it will feel like its happening to someone else ditto if your car gets stolen. You will equally dispassionate towards both. So karma will start loosing its grip on you once you grip on to the real you.

      Ok i get a star now 🙂


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