As this role perceives it, the issue with “praising God” by using well known religious lines ( Christianity has that line as well) is that “pure Gyan” may not be able to fit that description.
In “Pure Gyan,” we can observe how experiencing and expressing a role, is all there is. In this circle of life; there is no such an “arrival” as “salvation.”
Because I am here. I will be here writing this in 5000 years despite of what I may do in between. That is a warranty of the eternity of this role. Ladies and Gentlemen, I am here to stay… 🙂
Everything is “temporary but eternal.” That is a huge paradox to understand.
If going to the soul world is “salvation,” then getting out of it, is not.. 🙂 The “news” is that we will be “in” and “out” as an “unlimited tourist.” Therefore, where is that salvation?
If salvation is to get to the Golden age, then how is it possible for “everyone” to get “salvation”?
The word “salvation” is a loaded word.
“Salvation” is a 15 minute break for some or 45 minute break for others. That is all. It is a “lunch break.”
When looking at Gyan then, it is important to take a look at it without the pre-conception of “loaded words, “ that is words which mean something which they may not truly represent.
It would be advisable to see Gyan as it is; destruction is not really destruction, but “transformation” based on the fact, that we are eternal souls. Just as when one of our teeth is being pulled (hopefully by a dentist,) we may feel pain, but that is not the “end of the world.” (Another “pun…” sorry.)
To look at things in an “unlimited way,” is to go beyond the boundaries of this “existence.” That is why we have the knowledge of the cycle of time. That is why, we are “trikaldarshi” at this time.
Destruction is as natural as Creation. One cannot go without the other. That is the “natural” law in the world of duality. When we become aware of this circle of life, transformation is what we will be able to see. Nothing is static, but just our own mind set… Sometimes. 🙂
“Heaven: The most elitist place ever created.” Avyakt7
As we grasp the depth of this knowledge, we can avoid speaking in terms which bring a “black or white” understanding and observe that in between something “black” and something “white” there is a range of color tones that need to be considered as well, for they exist; for those colors are “real.” This is what gyan calls, “numberwise.” In that range, there is variety of perception and experiences.
When we talk about Heaven, Paradise; we necessarily have to talk about “Hell.”
When we say, “This is heaven,” we have automatically “created” what is not Heaven and conveniently assigned to that the nice label of “Hell.” 🙂
We need to recognize that this Drama is about experiencing. There is a range of experiences which need to be experienced according to capacity.
“Happiness” is one of those magical words, which also brings its dual opposite; that is “sorrow.” The interesting aspect to “see” is that happiness can ONLY EXIST where there is sorrow. Why? Because duality works like that. We can only recognize happiness because we know about sorrow, we have experienced sorrow.
A Brahmin soul has the experience of “non-duality,” that is the only difference in experiences between a Brahmin soul and a non-Brahmin soul. That experience of “non duality” is what a Brahmin soul will call “heaven,” nevertheless; that experience of non-duality is never experienced by any other soul in the Drama. Therefore, a Brahmin experience of “paradise or heaven,” is merely a Brahmin experience which, among Brahmins will be a “numberwise” experience as well.
Therefore to say, “I am a BK soul and only BK souls go to heaven” is an oversimplification of looking at Gyan in depth. We are caught up with labels.
Every religion has made the same “mistake,” of assuring their followers the experience of this “unique” heaven. If you look at every religion which believes in “heaven” and “hell” there is a “black or white” understanding, a childish view, an oversimplification of something which only this Gyan has mentioned many times in different Murlis but which is hardly understood: NUMBERWISE.
A soul who comes for the first time in the cycle, in what is known as the “Copper age,” (Please don’t take that name literally as meaning a “third class ticket.” It is not like that,) that will be their “highest experience.” Their “heaven” will be there. Similarly when that same soul experiences his most degraded stage; that experience of “hell” will not be as “terrible” as it is for a Brahmin soul. Please see that those ranges of experiences differ among individuals.
The greatest mistake in understanding Gyan, which is meant to be “UNIVERSAL,” is to have the Brahmin soul experience as the “yardstick” as the measurement guide to “judge” all the other experiences from different souls.
That is why as we “grow up” in this knowledge, we will not be caught up in romantic words, or names which bring a “division” of something being better than something else.
Is the Golden age better than the Iron age? Wrong question. Please take away that “better” word. Even to call “Golden age” to the first experience of the cycle of time is misleading.
It is just the 4 seasons. Some experience all seasons, others do not. However within their own experiences there is the experience of duality, the experience of “happiness and sorrow,” the experience of “heaven and hell.”
We have different experiences, different capacities, different “realities,” but we have been taught to compare (better than, less than,) judge based on one standard know as the “truth” for all, and believe that only two colors exist, “black or white.”
In that dogmatic perception, we will miss the rainbow of possibilities.
Karma is one of those “trivialized” words used in “new age” talk and spiritual teachings which are “in” with the wisdom of ancient Indian traditions.
Karma means “action” as we all know. The usual example of karma is summarized in the saying:”What goes around comes around,” and that becomes the “fear”necessary to act “morally.” In other words, God does not need to punish anyone, but your actions will do that. Therefore, we liberate God from our pre-conception of someone out there who is looking at us from “up above,” sitting comfortably in cloud #8, just long enough so He will see us “fall into temptation,” so He can say :”Aha!” and then punish us accordingly. 🙂
This is the simplified version of karma. The “karma for dummies” version1.0
Gyan (Knowledge) has added many layers of depth to it, which I will expand a bit.
1) Actions are merely the expression of thoughts and feelings at one level
2) Actions, thoughts and feelings are the expression of a sanskara (embedded behavioral inclinations) at a deeper level
3) Sanskaras are the expression of the Drama at the individual, personal level
4) The Drama is the expression of all individual sanskaras of all souls “Actors” at any point in time
5) Sanskaras exist according to the capacity of the soul
6) Sanskaras play according to time
7) Time is understood in a cyclical way as gradual changes happen from non-duality into duality.
8) Non-duality brings duality and duality brings non-duality. That is, the seed expands into a tree, to become a seed again. This process repeats eternally, That is why time is cyclical and repetitive.
Therefore, we have gone from a “simple” action to the depth of cyclical time.
As we can see the roles in every soul will express eternally. Those roles will express activities which while in the “non-dual” turn of cyclical time; those actions will be “neutral,” meaning that consequences will not be experienced for there is no “duality.” In other words, if I play “hide and seek” with someone; that action is neither “bad” nor “good.” Any activity at that time (non-dual) is void of polarity. However, there is “degradation” of qualities of such activities. This is what in gyan is known as “celestial degrees,” and some may use the word “entropy” to refer to this.
Once the threshold of non-duality is reached, then duality appears. Here the activities have a consequence just because there is the appearance of ego.
There is duality because the real self, the soul; is in conflict with an illusion of personality, which is known as ego. As greater “entropy” increases in “duality,” greater will be the experience of the consequence of our activities. Ego is nothing else but the experience of duality.
Gyan explains that there are 3 types of actions:
1) Neutral actions
2) Sinful actions
“Sinful actions” are those activities which will bring sorrow to others and us. What is known as “good actions,” are the perception of something which brings a happy state, although is temporary.
Example: If I send a child to college to study, I may get an education in my next birth. That activity is neither “good nor bad” in itself; for that activity will come mixed with other karmas that we have performed. For instance, I could suffer “bullying” while in College or my intellect may not be good enough to grasp the materials being taught, etc. That is why, in gyan those activities are known as just “actions.” For there is a mix in anything which appears to be”good.”
In the world of duality. Because there is a mix of sorrow and happiness, we believe that this is “life.”
Note that those activities will be performed according to the role of every soul “actor.” As a matter of fact, we have been performing many actions in past lives without knowing how everything was threaded, but just following the “morality of the time.”
Since we are aware that soul-actors will perform activities according to roles already “predestined,” then we can see that every soul has the capacity to deal with every karmic account experienced as well.
Settling karmic accounts means to be “bondage free” from the web of experiencing Karmic consequences and that is possible when “neutral actions” are performed again. In order to do that we need to become soul conscious again, for in soul consciousness we are beyond duality; we experience a “non-dual” time while performing actions which will have benefit for all.
This is what is known as “elevated actions” at this time. While performing “elevated actions” we are experiencing the “karmateet” (beyond the bondage of karma) stage practically until becoming “karmateet.”
The theme of these “laws” is very simple. From soul consciousness with experience body consciousness and from this, we experience soul consciousness again.
Free will resides in being aware of the “rules” /laws of the game of life, to be free.
The following article will throw some light into the Nature of Gyan, which is not a simple “yes” or “no;” type of answer; but it goes deeper than that. It requires for us to be open to a “yes and no” at the same time.
This post is in relationship with the very good question here:
about why Hinduism is not represented in the picture of the tree.
Basically, because Hinduism is not a religion!!
The answer I gave, was a partial answer; for in fact; the eternal original deity religion is Hinduism in its more elevated form; but unlike the other religions on the tree which represent the satopradhan and tamopradhan stage of that religion; we do not see that for Hinduism in the tree.
Here an excerpt from today’s Murli (11-27-12): “None of them call themselves deities now. All are Hindus, but Hinduism is not a religion. Who established the Hindu religion? “
Note that Baba mentions that Hinduism is not a religion which has validity. (for more information: http://hinduism.about.com/od/basics/a/hinduism.htm) But at the same time mentions that “none of them can call themselves Deities but Hindus.”
However, he asks the question: Who established the Hindu religion?? 🙂
Perhaps, he was referring to Hindu Dharma, which was translated into “religion.”
We could be lost in the translation for “dharma” is usually translated into the word religion. Dharma signifies “the way some people do things or natural law.”
To avoid the “war of words” and misconceptions, Hinduism is considered nowadays as a religion. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism)
In that sense, it could be depicted in the picture of the tree above the main trunk, after the Silver age; if we want to “conform” with “mainstream” western ideologies.
However, if Hinduism is not a religion then; why are there many people in the world prophesying themselves to be Hindus?
Obviously this is one of those points which make gyan truly paradoxical. 🙂
Some people have mentioned that the picture of the tree doesn’t consider Taoism. The question is then: Is Taoism a religion? The answer is “Yes and No.” How do you like that for a logical answer?
(http://tao-in-you.com/is-taoism-a-religion/) As a matter of fact, Taoism is related with Buddhism. As Ray Grigg points out in his book “The Tao of Zen,”
Ch’an [Zen] then, when understood without the overlay of Buddhism — when its Indian element is removed — is almost indistinguishable from Taoism. In personality, philosophy, and intellectual character, Ch’an without Buddhism is almost identical to Taoism.”
Which could be translated as Zen minus Buddhism equals Taoism.
Both, Taoism and Hinduism are not portrayed in the picture of the tree because they have not been considered as religions as some current scholars may agree.
Mr. Gulp was learning about the intricacies of the Drama and its repetition.
Mr. Yolo (You Only Live Once) was his teacher and he wanted to explain how duality came into the picture of an eternally repetitive Drama.
Mr. Yolo: “Here is my example of duality for you. Duality is like having “good news” and “bad news” at the same time with the same episode. Once we learn duality we see that life is just about experiences and that we label those experiences as “good or bad,” but because those experiences are repetitive, those experiences are necessary; rather than “good or bad.”
Mr. Gulp: “ I do not understand what you are talking about. Be clearer, please.”
Mr. Yolo: “I have “good news” for you; Mr. Gulp. Remember that Strawberry shortcake that you eat by yourself in our Diwali celebration?
Mr. Gulp: “Yes…it was soooo good… I enjoyed every bit of it.”
Mr. Yolo: “Well, You will eat it again… It is “fixed” to happen exactly every 5000 years.”
Mr. Gulp: “But then I had stomach cramps and I had to vomit, for I eat too much… is that going to repeat again as well?”
Mr. Yolo: “Those are the “bad news,” I am afraid… but then you will be here to talk about it. At that point you can “choose” to think about the taste of the cake or to remember the stomach pain you experienced, that is your choice.”
Mr. Gulp: “ But I cannot separate both. One was a good experience and the other was bad. Thinking about one, brings the other. I don’t like this repetition business… I think, I don’t want to believe in it. It is nonsense.”
Mr. Yolo: “ I thought you like strawberry shortcakes?”
Mr. Gulp: “ I do. I love them. That is why I cannot stop eating them.”
Mr. Yolo: “ That is duality. The same event which made you happy has the exact same opposite force to make you unhappy. Do you believe in duality now that you have experienced?”
Mr. Gulp: “ Of course. That makes sense. Is the repetition which I don’t like.”
Mr. Yolo:” I see… but there is a cure for that. It is the duality of remembering and forgetting. You remember the episode now, but once it repeats again, you will not. So, it will be “new.” That is called a paradox. When you forget something, it doesn’t matter if it repeats. Only when you know that it repeats is when you can be careful of not making out of your life something that you will regret. See the benefit of repetition? Everything is beneficial, because it is a circle after all. A cycle.”
No matter what you do
No matter what you think
No matter if you scream
Can’t go away from the stream.
Therefore, in the unlimited; it is “guaranteed” that “you” will be “you” again.
That is a certainty or your money back. Guaranteed.
That is why, it is so important from the minute we understand this knowledge; to “shape up,” and to “do the best we can” that is to become soul conscious. (Is there anything better than that?)
Simply because we are certain that whatever we are living “now” will repeat again.
This is not in “your next life.”
This is not in a futuristic “golden castle.”
This is not a “let us imagine/visualize…”
This is “reality” if we have understood this knowledge.
We can even say that everything that will happen is “beneficial” because it will allow you to be “you” again.
Do you like that? 🙂 Do you like yourself?
Then better start changing things around.. or better yet; better start changing yourself.
This not your dress
This is not the shelf
This is your own self
What is the teaching out of this realization?
“Unlimited disinterest” could happen when our vision is “unlimited,” beyond the “Me,” who is stuck in “time.” Why?
Because this knowledge brings the “calmness” to know that whatever “I” do will be, to be “me” again.
It doesn’t matter what I “do.” I will be “me” again.
Isn’t that nice? 🙂
BUT, it matters if; what I want to see of me in the future, is a more refined version. 🙂
That is why the “Confluence age “ is so important; because it is the opportunity to be fully aware of “going up,” and that is why; it only exist for Brahmin souls… “now.”
Just like an elevator; we are “going up,” now.
That is the paradox of “Me today VS. Me tomorrow.”
Be easy, relax..enjoy life BUT make intense efforts…
Understanding time is important for it will show us the “illusion” of time once we understand that we are eternal entities (souls.)
It is a continuous, a cyclical repetitive continuous, where there is no beginning neither an end.
In nature, we see how the sun appears at dawn and moves through the day; that is noon, afternoon and sunset time. Then this movement will repeat again the next day.
Our human minds are fond on dividing things and separating things; therefore a device such as a clock was invented to have a reference point. Nature does not have those reference points; but our minds need that at this time. Thus, dawn is the first quarter of the clock, noon is the second quarter, afternoon, the third and sunset the fourth quarter. That is time. A clock.
Humanity has represented time and its importance in different ways. (Most of this information is from Wikipedia.)
The first representation is through the symbol known as the “Ouroboros.”
It is a serpent or dragon eating its own tail. It represents the “eternal return.” Something eternally recreating itself. This symbol was used by Early Egypt, Greece, Aztecs (Mexico) and India.
For a complete understanding of the important concept of eternal return, please take a look at this website:
Is the symbol of auspiciousness or being with “higher self,” in India and used by Dharmic religions in general. It represents eternity. As we know, this symbol which had such “good feeling” behind it was used by the Nazis in a modified version (to represent white supremacy, since this symbol was used by Aryans, which Nazis believed to be the “purest” “Caucasian” race. (non-mixture with other races.) Ironically, “Aryan” means “noble,” probably depicting a noble and gentle culture. (Deities?)
The yin Yang
“Meaning “shadow and light”, is used to describe how polar opposites or seemingly contrary forces are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, and how they give rise to each other in turn in relation to each other.” This is the symbol for duality.
“Yang is the white side with the black dot on it, and yin is the black side with the white dot on it. The relationship between yin and yang is often described in terms of sunlight playing over a mountain and a valley. Yin (literally the ‘shady place’ or ‘north slope’) is the dark area occluded by the mountain’s bulk, while yang (literally the ‘sunny place’ or ‘south slope’) is the brightly lit portion. As the sun moves across the sky, yin and yang gradually trade places with each other, revealing what was obscured and obscuring what was revealed.”
This symbol describes how duality travels in time. Slowly changing (entropy) is an eternal cycle of opposites which give away each other.
is related to the Mesopotamian and Sumerian symbols of eternity. For some scientists, it means time motion, time driver, eternity, or in other words – 4th dimension- Time rotates as does Earth around the Sun, and by this circle time goes infinitely; it is an icon of timelessness.
Spirituality of mankind could be explained using those depictions of time.
Just like the 4 seasons, we can see that higher spirituality or low entropy existed which little by little, degree by degree gave way to the opposite but complementary energy; known as body consciousness.
The highest point of body consciousness gives birth to the lowest point of soul consciousness, which in turn will make possible an era of highest soul consciousness which will be lowering its quality just to give birth to a lower degree of body consciousness. The cycle will repeat for eternity.
If we use the symbol of infinity, we will be able to observe how the immortal soul “travels through time.” Note that we could divide this symbol in 4 equal parts to depict the “4 seasons” of time which is also shown by the clock.
For the soul, there is neither birth nor death. Therefore, it is timeless. However, when the soul has a body; then time begins to exist.
This “illusion” is the source of sorrow in humanity.