Tagged: 21 births
Many questions…in one question
The following questions were formulated by a BK soul. I would like to remind all of you that I am not a fortune teller. My answers are based on churning gyan. Many of the questions are repeated questions. From now on I will just say “that question was asked before,” and as I showed many times how to search terms in this blog, I trust that the articles will be found.
I will answer the soul’s questions in between his questions:
Om Shanti
Nummers of the FAMILY members in the FIRST LINE;
Pick a number.
The Divine Intellect Whom are the 8 First BK Family members?
Or what is meant by the First 8 members?
It was responded before. See “rosary.”
Then you have the Rosary of 108 Also Baba mentions 16,108 what is meant by that?
That question was asked before and responded as well.
Is it correct that GOLDEN AGE has ONLY a maximum of 900,000 souls to enter over the entire era of 1250 years EACH having 8 births? Or is that the number of souls whom are directly to be transferred into the next Kalpa (all be it numberwise) are these INCLUDING the subjects?
900,000 souls at the beginning of the Golden age. They will reproduce in the duration of that age. If you read the “Mystery of 21 births” you will see that it is difficult to know who has 7 births or 8 births in the GA. Your last question needs to be clarified.
What is the number of souls at the end of Golden Age? What is number of souls at the end of Silver Age?
The Murli mentions 330 million souls at the end of Silver age. That is it as far as I know.
Now my question to you:
How is that information helpful to you in any way? If it is just out of curiosity, please don’t do that to me.
If you plan to figure out the different numbers by extrapolating them and figuring out that out of 900,000 to start if they have each 2 children knowing that their life expectancy was 150 years, and if you put them together in the 1250 years duration of the Golden age then you could figure it out the end population of the Golden age and to double check if the 330 million at the end of the Silver age is the correct number; let me use this opportunity to briefly say that to be a waste of time. Why? Because estimates are based on “fixed realities.” Rate of growth is not constant because not everyone lives 150 years on “the dot.” Those differences make a difference overtime in larger population; AND you don’t know that those 900,000 in day “1” where “really” in their first birth of the 8 permitted in the Golden age, or in their second… (???) 🙂 That was answered before as well.(see mystery of 21 births) Krishna was in his “second” birth on day “1” when he became Narayan.
Divine Intellect: The Divine Intellect is like the Heart of the soul, however it can ALSO BE DESCRIBED as a Hand (Catching Power) I remember a Class given by Sister Meera Bhen Ji in BapDada’s Season 2009/2010 about the Divine Intellect and Catching Power. I would like to go deeper into Baba’s spiritual knowledge regarding how the Divine Intellect works and where does the Divine Intellect consists of in spiritual terms? Does the Divine Intellect consists of 5 ‘fingers’ or ‘members’ of the ‘GOVERNMENT’ ? Whom is at the Top of the Government? It is DESCRIBED that soul consists of 3 faculties ( Divine Intellect, Mind & Sanskars) though there must be much more to learn about the Divine Intellect.
Divine intellect: Absence of waste. That is as deep as it gets.
Best wishes!
Best wishes!
Starting point of the Golden age and the mystery of the 21 births: resolved
In today’s Murli (8-18-12) Baba mentioned:
Although Radhe and Krishna will have taken birth, it won’t be called the golden age at that time. It is when they sit on the throne of the kingdom in the form of Lakshmi and Narayan that that era will begin. Until then, souls will continue to come and go. All of these things have to be churned.
Therefore Krishna and Radhe are born in the “impure world.” Thus, Krishna will have his “second” birth once the Golden age starts, that is when he becomes Narayan.
That is the mystery of the 21 births.
Articles which deal with this topic could be read here:
http://bkgyan.com/2012/06/22/21-births-in-the-in-laws-mystery-or/
Reader remarks: 21 births in the in-laws
(Note reader remarks are in bold.)
Thank you for your question. I will be more specific this time. Please bear with me. 🙂
Let us do some math.
8 births in Golden age with a duration of 125 to 150 years. Which of those numbers should I pick? or perhaps the mean or an average? Most choose 150 and then multiply that by 8 = 1200 years.
Since we know that the GOLDEN AGE LASTS 1250 years, then we see that 50 years are missing. Aren’t those 50 years part of the Golden age? YES. Then why should I call that period the “confluence between the Golden age and the Silver age?”
For convenience. ?????
Let us not plug numbers conveniently, if we are going to use numbers. Those 50 years belong to the Golden age. The silver age does not require a confluence.
Baba says that there are confluence ages between the consecutive ages. Transformation happens gradually and not all of a sudden.
In this confluence, we have been taking our own sweet time to become golden aged / silver aged souls. One can give many excuses to defend one self; one really needs time to change. 🙂
It starts when the coronation of Rama and Sita occurs; just like day “1” starts with the coronation of Lakshmi and Narayan.
Baba did not say that Laksmi Narayan’s kingdom finishes exactly after 1250 years. Not sure whether it needs 100 years in other confluences, but it should be much less… may be some 50 years, 25 each from each yug as it is very easy to climb down the ladder unlike the present stage where we have to climb up; poor Brahmins!
Besides if we are going to add “100 years” confluence between the Golden age and the Silver age, we must add some quantity(confluence time) between the Silver age and Copper age and between the Copper age and the Iron age. If we do that, then the numbers of births specified in gyan will not match.
This point is explained in the paragraph above.
Another point to consider if we keep on making calculations out of fixed numbers, are the duration of those births.
The Iron age has 42 births. If we divide 1250 between 42, that gives us 30 years of life as an average.
There is no average life span in the iron age. One takes approximately 20 births in the copper age and later on, in the Iron age, slowly his life span becomes less and less.
May be by the time the (Brahmin/ B.K) soul completes half the kaliyug, based on his karmic accounts, he can live for a very short period in a particular birth, and can die even in the womb some times. And in the very next birth he may live for some 60years. Before coming to gyan, one soul took me back in to the past during meditation and i saw myself dying in a hospital as a 10 year old girl and my parents experiencing deep sorrow.
That means that if you are a BK now and your age is approaching 100, you had to be born and die almost right away before, because 3 lives are already in your last birth. This is just to demonstrate that we cannot use a fixed number such as “150 years” in the Golden age to make calculations. We could live UP TO 150 years at that time but that is not the number for everyone in the GA. That is why I use Brahma Baba as the measuring stick.
Another point:
The only confluence age is at this time and it is for Brahmin souls only.
For there rest, there is entropy all the time.
The “confluence age” for Brahmins will end when Krishna is born. That time is not the “confluence age,” neither the Golden age. It is a time without a name, I’d like to call it “post destruction.” It should last 35 years, because if I recall correctly, that is the age of Krishna before becoming Narayan.
Baba gives different numbers at different times… 🙂 He knows that His smart children would like to make efforts based on the dates/ time given. So, He does not confirm any year, or time.
That is why, Brahma Baba takes his first birth “before the Golden age” and still has 8 births in the Golden age. That makes the 21 births. Also, let us recall that Krishna is completely Satopradhan, therefore; he will not experience any sorrow during that time… so basically, he will be experiencing the “in-laws.”
It is time we let go off these calculations and just take the essence of the history. Otherwise, we will become more time conscious than soul conscious.
Thank you for your challenging question!
Question: in the 21 births article, is it possible that the one birth missing (out of 21) was between the Golden and Silver ages?
Thank you for your question. I will be more specific this time. Please bear with me. 🙂
Let us do some math.
8 births in Golden age with a duration of 125 to 150 years. Which of those numbers should I pick? or perhaps the mean or an average? Most choose 150 and then multiply that by 8 = 1200 years.
Since we know that the GOLDEN AGE LASTS 1250 years, then we see that 50 years are missing. Aren’t those 50 years part of the Golden age? YES. Then why should I call that period the “confluence between the Golden age and the Silver age?”
For convenience.
Let us not plug numbers conveniently, if we are going to use numbers. Those 50 years belong to the Golden age. The silver age does not require a confluence. It starts when the coronation of Rama and Sita occurs; just like day “1” starts with the coronation of Lakshmi and Narayan.
Besides if we are going to add “100 years” confluence between the Golden age and the Silver age, we must add some quantity(confluence time) between the Silver age and Copper age and between the Copper age and the Iron age. If we do that, then the numbers of births specified in gyan will not match.
Another point to consider if we keep on making calculations out of fixed numbers, are the duration of those births.
The Iron age has 42 births. If we divide 1250 between 42, that gives us 30 years of life as an average. That means that if you are a BK now and your age is approaching 100, you had to be born and die almost right away before, because 3 lives are already in your last birth. This is just to demonstrate that we cannot use a fixed number such as “150 years” in the Golden age to make calculations. We could live UP TO 150 years at that time but that is not the number for everyone in the GA. That is why I use Brahma Baba as the measuring stick.
Another point:
The only confluence age is at this time and it is for Brahmin souls only.
For there rest, there is entropy all the time.
The “confluence age” for Brahmins will end when Krishna is born. That time is not the “confluence age,” neither the Golden age. It is a time without a name, I’d like to call it “post destruction.” It should last 35 years, because if I recall correctly, that is the age of Krishna before becoming Narayan.
That is why, Brahma Baba takes his first birth “before the Golden age” and still has 8 births in the Golden age. That makes the 21 births. Also, let us recall that Krishna is completely Satopradhan, therefore; he will not experience any sorrow during that time… so basically, he will be experiencing the “in-laws.”
Thank you for your challenging question!
21 births in the “in-laws” – Mystery or …?
16. The 21 births mystery
“You take 21 births in the in-laws.”
On June 12th Baba mentioned that: “You take 21 births in the in-laws.”
Therefore, the usual answer of “you take 8 births in the GA, 12 in the SA and 1…right now, in the confluence age” does not match the math. The “in-laws” is not the confluence age.
So, we need to look for another answer.
Baba has mentioned that in the Golden age the “normal” life span is 125 to 150 years.
He hasn’t mentioned how long the life span is in the Silver age as far as I remember.
So, we can do our math and see that it does not match 1250 years which is the “duration” of the Golden age.
So, what happen?
We cannot go by the number of births in the Golden age because only 900,000 souls will be there on “day 1.” Therefore, were they born before the Golden age?
Yes. That is you missing birth. Is that part of the “in-laws”? Yes, because they are living in the Golden age. BUT, no…. because they were not born in the Golden age. 🙂 I love paradoxes…
Let us remember that “84 births” is the number of Births that Brahma/Krishna has taken. In Gyan, BRAHMA BABA IS THE MEASURING STICK.
Was Mama’s birth her last one when she was a BK? NO. Therefore the words in the Murli : “This is your last birth” is half true… 😉 For some it may be but not for others. For BRAHMA BABA, it was.
In the Golden and Silver ages, Baba is referring to “dynasties.” That is why in some Murlis, Baba mentions about “Narayan 1,2,3, etc.” There are 8 Narayans and 12 Ramas.
Our number of births is not constant. Again Brahma Baba will probably take his life as the measuring stick for all BKs. He took 8 births in the GA, 12 Births in the SA, etc. His missing (1) birth will be when he is born as Krishna. He will be born outside the confluence age (he is born when destruction takes place.)
BUT when the Golden age starts, he is BORN AGAIN BY CHANGING HIS NAME TO NARAYAN.
Therefore… 21 births for HIM.
To recap:
Let us remember then that Brahma Baba generalizes gyan based on his own life experience in the cycle. Brahma Baba takes 84 births. 8 in the GA, 12 in the SA, etc.
Brahma Baba’s last birth ended in 1969 in this kalpa (84.) Brahma Baba’s 1st birth will be when he is born as Krishna until he changes his name to Narayan. That is his First birth in the GA, but his second birth in the new kalpa.
How about that? 😉
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