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Question on Brahma Kumaris beliefs

“SCIENCE VERSUS 5000 YEARS OF TIME CYCLE ! following are my questions.. 1.)5000 years of world drama is said to be like a recorded cd ,which plays the same thing even if repeated N no.of times if so, then what is the significance of the KARMIC ACCOUNT, what is my role here? all my thoughts and actions become predetermined then how can we say we create our own destiny? 2.)If the destruction of this world is going to happen with NUCLEAR WARFARE it will make the entire planet inhabitable for the next hundreds or thousand’s of years,{ japan is an example,even now radiation and related diseases persists in those regions} earth will become more polluted and hostile than ever before ! if so then when will SATYUG the GOLDEN AGE start? it will have to take a long break! 3.)The existence of DINOSAURS and other extinct life forms on EARTH is confirmed by SCIENCE, fossil remains and carbon dating results are proofs for their existence but, there is no mention in our 5000 year cycle that such species existed, did GOD FORGET THEM?.”

Dear reader,
Thank you for your questions!
I am afraid your questions came a bit late… This blog changed its path a couple of months ago from Brahma Kumaris knowledge to Spiritual knowledge in general and for all.

However, i will use this opportunity to give additional explanation and then answer your questions.. so bear with me! 🙂

Beliefs are out. Experience is in. A couple of days ago, it was shared that once the realization about our own eternity is experienced, then beliefs are useless.

Beliefs are “good,” when someone experiences protection and support through a religious system. It is the time for reformation.
Beliefs are “bad,” when they “box you,” and seclude your experience of life and make you part of the “cookie cutter” machinery.

Therefore, beliefs are neither “good, nor bad,” but useful according to someone’s timing in life.

In my experience, out of all the beliefs systems that I have been exposed to (Many, I need to say) Brahma Kumaris knowledge is the most complete, the most reasonable, intellectually speaking. This blog has plenty of articles about that.

The issue has been the way it was interpreted.

Here a little example:
So you know about an eternal, repetitive cycle. Then, why make so much fuss about “destruction,” when we can realize about our own eternity? Think about that.

So you know about an eternal, predestined movie; therefore, what you think you do out of your free will, is part of that movie. Your free will is predestination and predestination is your experience of free will. 🙂
This is just an intellectual concept, but there is the experience which is most important.

When you realize about your own eternity, then the movie of “doing things,” should not matter, when “being” is the most important thing. As it is “being” then “doing” aligns. This is what this blog has emphasized.

When the “little child” needs reformation, the “scary” thought of “destruction is just ahead,” makes you do something to earn your “paradise..” Do you see that? Death by itself is not scary enough, for everyone will die some day… But to be “saved” from destruction, makes it special… There is no death, but we die. I hope you could grasp this.. I know you will 🙂 There is “destruction” but we are eternal? I hope this is not hard to understand… 🙂

In my experience, the whole “experience” in Brahma Kumaris was to “reform myself.” Celibacy is the main ingredient that Brahma Kumaris uses for that. This does not mean that celibacy is “good” or “bad.” It is the “tool” used for reformation.
Why?
Even though it is one of the toughest “tools” for reformation, celibacy will allow you to experience a different consciousness when we are not repressing ourselves. This is the challenge. This is not only physical repression, but also emotional and how you approach life despite your unusual practice, will dictate your degree of “advancement.” Once you have experienced that consciousness, then you know better.

That is my experience in a “nutshell.” I would have not been able to go through it, if I did not have divine help. Here is where your “karma” comes into the picture. This “spiritual bug” comes from many past lives not just this one.

OK.. now into your questions 🙂

1.)5000 years of world drama is said to be like a recorded cd ,which plays the same thing even if repeated N no.of times if so, then what is the significance of the KARMIC ACCOUNT, what is my role here? all my thoughts and actions become predetermined then how can we say we create our own destiny?

Your karmic account is your own movie included in the “big movie.” The Drama. Your role is what you will experience as “doing.” In reality, you do not do anything… 🙂 but because you believe you do; then you do. 🙂

You “create” your destiny when you believe that you have “free will.” You do not create your destiny when you believe that everything is “predestined.” If you do not have “beliefs,” then everything moves as it should.

2.)If the destruction of this world is going to happen with NUCLEAR WARFARE it will make the entire planet inhabitable for the next hundreds or thousand’s of years,{ japan is an example,even now radiation and related diseases persists in those regions} earth will become more polluted and hostile than ever before ! if so then when will SATYUG the GOLDEN AGE start? it will have to take a long break!

Please see how many “beliefs” you are introducing in your question. Your belief of Nuclear warfare, is not completely accurate if you studied the Brahma Kumaris daily scriptures. In that belief system, there is a mention of natural disasters, famine, drought, diseases… Things that you did not account for in your belief. Also, It is mentioned in the Brahma Kumaris belief system, that there will not be a nuclear issue in Bharat and the rest of the continents will go under the oceans. Scary movie… huh? 🙂
Thus, your belief of Nuclear disaster surrounding the whole planet and making the Earth poisonous to live… is just another belief. 🙂

3.)The existence of DINOSAURS and other extinct life forms on EARTH is confirmed by SCIENCE, fossil remains and carbon dating results are proofs for their existence but, there is no mention in our 5000 year cycle that such species existed, did GOD FORGET THEM?.”

Dear reader, “confirmed by science,” is meaningless when we are talking about life. Your belief in science as the holder of “truth,” is just a belief.
How?
Life is more than the physical realm which is what science deals with. here is your definition of science:
“The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.”
In spirituality we can experience that there are many realms beyond the physicality of life, which are integrated. The proof is your own experience.

Quantum mechanics is getting closer to that “reality,” which makes “randomness” and “probabilities” scientific terms to use, when they only denote lack of scientific certainty.

Now, dear reader, I will ask you to please read the tab titled “scientific tales” for a through and convincing ride into the realm of tales for grown ups…
http://avyakt7.com/category/scientific-tales/

There all your questions about the 5000 year belief deal, the dinosaur belief deal and all such beliefs, are answered there. Otherwise, you could type the keyword “dinosaur” in the blog, and you will find articles related with that topic.

Dear reader, It has been a pleasure to reply to your questions, but let me inform you that avyakt7 has “retired” from intellectual debates and logical thinking when related with spirituality and the experience of life. At work I may need to use those skills, but then after those hours of earning my “paycheck” have gone away… those skills are “submerged.” 🙂

However, avyakt7 had his time in that “realm” and articles are available in this blog for those who would like to spend time on such things…

Best wishes!

Questions for May 30, 2013 – 5000 years and Dino “combo”

How do you explain that the cycle is only 5,000 years when the earth is so very much older. It’s not just carbon dating that shows how old the earth is, but geology, and many many facets of science. All else in gyan is easy to understand, but this one point of 5,000 years in not. So when did the dinosaurs room the earth, they also existed for a very long time as they have been dug up through many many layers of earth and rock on most continents, even those that we are told are under water in the gold and silver ages, so therefore dinosaurs are meant to have been on earth only 2,500 years ago, but that is during recorded history. These questions have never been answered, so please explain if you can. Om Shanti Jan

Dear soul,

This is a repeated question. There are plenty of articles in this blog which deal with those questions that you have asked.
Please search in the blog by using a keyword such as “dinosaur” or “5000 years cycle” etc.

Nevertheless, I will answer your questions so I can just place this article someplace visible in the blog, where everyone who has the typical “dino” question or the “5000 year old” theme; will be able to look at it. (“Scientific tales” section.)

Dear soul,
The Earth is not 5000 year old. It has existed forever. It just changes. The cycle of time is according to Gyan 5000 years. Matter cannot be created. It only changes. This is something that many people fail to realize.

Just because someone placed a flag in the moon, in 5000 years it does not mean that we will see the same flag there. Matter changes, recycles itself. Everything changes in matter, but after 5000 years (according to Gyan) repeats itself.

You are a believer of science. Science may be your religion.
Science can only bring you beliefs, just like a religion.
Want proof? 🙂

http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/features/young-earth-evidence/

Now, let me ask you: Why intelligent people who are so great about providing “proof” with the help of Science, are able to disagree by “millions of years” in something so fundamental as the age of the Earth?

Now, just because someone says that the more accepted theory is the “big bang” it does not mean that this is the “truth.”
The truth is not won by consensus of the “majority,” by votes.

There are plenty of theories nowadays that even reflect that time is cyclical and not linear as believed by some scientists.
Please take a look at this link:

http://bkgyan.com/category/scientific-tales/

Please read every article with care and you will know, that we are dealing with scientific beliefs, dogma hidden under the precious word “research.”

Please read the article below. It basically explains in a very rational way, why cyclical time has greater probability of being “real” than the so-called linear time of millions of years.

http://www.helium.com/items/487172-philosophy-which-came-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg (helium.com is no longer in business, so I have a copy, below)

Click to access chickenegg.pdf

This article is the top one among many other articles by “thinkers” which do not belong to a particular religion. Please take the time to digest it.

On your dinosaur question, the same thing applies. Bones may have been found, but that does not mean that a dinosaur depicted, as scientists want us to believe, existed. Behind the dinosaur belief, there is just the theory of evolution and behind it, the “big bang.”
I am not saying that dinosaurs did not exist. I am saying that as far as I am concerned there is no way, that I can know if they existed, and that I have to rely on someone else to “find that out for me.”

I don’t like that.

I have experienced “deja vues,” I have experienced the “soul,” I have experienced “fortune telling” (which demonstrates the cycle of time) and I had experiences with reincarnation by intuitive experience.

Those are my “proofs.”

Dear soul,
Please do not get caught up in more beliefs, in more dogmas. The bottom line of this knowledge, which is Spiritual knowledge, is to know the self, so there could be self-transformation.
That is all.

More concepts without experience is worthless.
However, If a concept is able to transform you, please continue.

In your deathbed, you can hold on to more beliefs, to more concepts and be afraid to die, afraid of the unknown. No theories will get you out of that feeling.

On the other hand, when there is experience, when you have tasted that which scientists do not know about for lack of experience; then, you will be alright. You will know.

Finally, I am not here to support more dogmatic views of life. To support a particular theory or a religion; but just to share experiences, to share what could trigger something in your spiritual life, a new viewpoint, a new realization, a new feeling… No more concepts or empty theories.

Best wishes!

Om shanti——— Is it true when we give a certain THOUGHT to a crystall, it then vibrate at that frequency for many days/hours depending upon the intensity of thougth.Also how we can increase our frequency of vibration to a heigher lavel.. enlighten it plz.

Answer: Dear soul,
That type of question is not part of my experience. From the spiritual perspective, a thought is powerful for it has the possibility to manifest itself into “reality.”

Best wishes!


Dear avyakt7 do the souls have any consciousness when they resides in the paramdham? is it godlike stage?

Answer: Dear soul,
Thank you for your great question! There is no “consciousness” in Parandham.
Is it Godlike stage?
Answer: what do you think? 🙂 🙂

Best wishes!

Question: Dear brother, Everything repeats exactly as it is every 5000 years, this includes, thoughts, words, actions, emotions, consciousness…etc.., it seems as we have the freedom to choose the way we want, what to think, how to feel, but then these are the act of the role that has already happened meaning if I choose to think this way or feel this way, then it ends up this is how I did 5000 years ago so… I can never do anything different that has happened 5000 years ago from today, at this moment, at this second…. yet It is not wise to say, I will let sit and do nothing, no effort as if it happened 5000 years ago , it will happen again, if I do that then it becomes as said 5000 years ago… it is as if we are on a constantly running steps … if you are still standing , watching the scenes pass by you are safe, but if you try to jump out of the running steps , you will be thrown out…. Or even if you do jump out of it ..you will fall on another running steps… as it needs to flow not stop for as we are all eternal and every second is new but temporary every 5000 years… your thoughts?

ego

Thank you for your question and realization!

Dear soul,
The interesting thing about this Drama is that we never knew any of this until now. Do you know why?
(besides the popular “because it is fixed that way”) 🙂 Simply because we need to know that information now to understand Ego. To become ego-less again.

In the Golden and Silver ages, we wouldn’t be able to feel as “I am a puppet of the Drama,” for “I” as a “doer” wasn’t heard of. The consciousness there did not understand about an entity “doing things the way that entity wants.” That entity is “I.” The popular words “I do as I want,” wouldn’t be understood in Non-duality. You wouldn’t hear Narayan saying: “I do as I want because I am the King here, and you are just a simple subject.” Those words are not understood there.

Now, we need that information for otherwise, to “understand” ego will be very, very difficult.

We wouldn’t be able to understand that we do not do anything, but there is a Drama which is the conjunction of all roles playing at the same time. Those roles play in synchronicity. Everything works well as it is, until we start “thinking about it,” and figuring things out considering about how “I” fits into this. What is “my piece in this pie”? What do “I” bring into this? How can “I” become better? How can “I” leave a “trademark” in life so others know about “me” and remember “me”? How can “I get” the best in the after life, so “I” continue having “the best”? Ego wants to exist.

Those thoughts, dear soul; are just illusion. Self made lies, which the “I” does not feel comfortable when knowing that after all, it is not “I” changing the world, but the world changes itself, through the roles running through us, souls; when in the experience of being in a body… 🙂

Sakar Murlis talk about “taking action,” “not to let the Drama do it for you,” 🙂 It is a way of being “proactive” while having ego. As we go deeper into this, we see that becoming ego-less is not about “reinforcing more ego in us,” but rather to step away from “pushing and controlling” things.

When “ego” is out of work, that is another way of becoming ego-less. But, when we haven’t gotten to this point of inner understanding, it is better to “push things” for otherwise, we could become lazy, and blame it on the Drama with the popular excuse: “If it is fixed in the Drama then I don’t have to do anything.” 🙂

That response shows clearly that our lazy ego believes in “doing” but if someone is doing for you, then why do anything. This is the “childish” understanding which Sakar Murlis had to deal with.

In that understanding we swim from “I” into “you.” In that understanding there is no depth. Without depth, “I better make effort” now.

Best wishes!

Question: OM SHANTI . I AM IN GYAN SINCE ONE YEAR. I AM CONFUSED ABT. 5000 YEAR CYCLE , IF IT IS REAPITATION THEN WHY REMAINS OF “SATYUG” AND ” TRETAYUGA” NOT VISIBLE TO OUR ARCHEOLOGIST EVEN WHEN THEY ARE GETTING REMAINS OF DINOSOURAS AND OTHER ANIMAL WHICH THEY CLAIM SOME LACKS OF YEAR OLD ? WHY THE INNVOTION OF MODERN SCIENCES CONTRADICT WITH BRAHMAKUMARIS GYAN ABOUT OUR EXISTANCE ON EARTH ? CAN YOU HELP ME IN REGARDS TO THIS …..

Thank you for your question!
Dear soul,

I have written here many articles about the 5000 year cycle. You can do a search on the “search article by keywords” in the blog, by the “blog stats.”

Let me showcase again an article which I wrote sometime ago https://explore7.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/chickenegg.pdf This article has been the #1 article for a long time now. This article even though it answers the question of “who is first the chicken or the egg?” in reality it answer the validity of cyclical time. That website is not a Brahma Kumaris website. Why is that article the #1 article if it merely explains gyan in a more worldly way? Please read it. (the article was in helium.com which is no longer in business.)

The cycle of time is what exists from a logical, reasonable perspective for there is no beginning of time and if there was, I am eagerly waiting for “proof” on that. 🙂 Please send that proof to me.

The “proof” of the cycle of time of being a short span, according to gyan; of 5000 years is quite possible if we just look at the trend on population. You may wan to look at this article.

That article has the classical answers. Finally, I want to add something “new.” You say that there are no “proof of the Golden age, etc.” Let me tell you that there is.

I am a Peruvian native. Let me tell you that the history that I learned in Peru about Peruvians and World history is quite different than the ones made by Americans and Europeans. It is not about dates. It is about perceptions and theories built upon them.
It is about covering up things that our science cannot explain through crafty theories.

Peru has been a “picnic place.” According to Gyan, that means a place where Deities used to go to “catch some rays,” and to surf by the Pacific ocean in their veemans. Peru has one of the oldest cultures in the world. It has been greatly exploited throughout history by different “Developed countries.” The history books of Peruvians are different when it comes to British and USA “doings” in Peruvian territory in the last 150 years. I know because I have studied them and somehow experienced it.

It is all about economical interests. History is written that way. Once Europeans came to Peru, a new religion was in place. That is Christianity. That religion wasn’t taken by the love of people for the “son of God,” but simply it was imposed. Likewise, Western culture is being imposed in a more “subtle way” in the world. Scientists will support the “status quo.” That means linear time. That means the belief that we are “much better off now than before,” that means that our culture is far more advanced now than what it was before.

Not true.

Please research about Macchu Picchu. “One of the 8 wonders of the world.” Please research about the Nazca Lines. I have been in Macchu Picchu a couple of times. There is no way on Earth that our current worshiped technology could make something like it. Look at the structures. Feel the vibes there. See how the knowledge of astronomy, architecture and aesthetics all blend in. Accepted theories show that this site was probably built by aliens… 🙂 Iam talking about something that I have first hand experience. There are other “memorials” in other parts of the world, such as the pyramids in Egypt, the ones in Mexico, their advanced knowledge in astronomy, etc.

Here a little website. By the way, “Macchu Picchu” was “discovered” by an American, Hiram Bingham; even though natives new about it long ago, but it takes a foreigner to “discover things.”

It is a wonder how scientific theories come mostly from American or British scientists, specially from the most renowned universities. You do not hear much about latin american scientists making a “breakthrough.” It is not because they cannot think. It is because they are not part of the “game.”

Please read this website for further information about the scientific whims of the time. How some scientists were treated just to preserve the “old stuff.” 🙂 Change is not always welcomed.

I think i have given you enough “intellectual material.” Just remember that a change of consciousness means a different way of looking at things. That hopefully will come with time.
Welcome to the BK club!

May you grow and prosper…

Best wishes!

Question: BKs say that all four yugs combined are of 5000 years. Then in which yug were dinosaurs? I am really curious to know.


🙂 Thank you for your question…

So we are back into “dino” question.
Have you seen a dinosaur? Why do you believe in them? Is that a new religion? 🙂
Personally, I haven’t seen one, and as mentioned before, here. my position is of “dino-agnosticism.”

If you have the disposition, you may want to read this which is what I have written about before.

Do you wonder why I take the “dino-agnostic” view on dinosaurs?

Simply because, if you believe like scientists that humans have existed in “linear time” for 500000 to 1 million years ago; that is not logically possible according to the graph in this post ( World population from 1800 to 2100, based on UN 2004 projections and US Census Bureau historical estimates;) for our rate of population should be way higher than what it is right now. That is a “faulty theory,” lacking reasoning and logic. Therefore, If scientists have problems with the origin of our own species and are miscalculating our rate of population, Why should I feel comfortable with their “evidence” of dinos living 65 million years ago? You see my logic? 🙂

If dinosaurs have in fact existed, then it had to be in a time where all continents were present on the Earth (If you follow BK knowledge that could happen between the copper age and the end of the confluence age) Why? Because accordingly, dinosaurs bones have been found everywhere, including in India. Now let me ask you a few questions:
In which continent a T-Rex originated? How do they migrated from continent to continent? why do they became extinct even if living in different continents? AND….how exactly humans appeared when at the time these monsters were living there were no humans alive? 🙂 I am curious to hear that!

So here is a link which explains that dinosaurs exist even now.

Also, let me tell you that I have my own little theory of “Dinos,” how do they appeared and disappeared and in which time period… but BK gyan does not explain about it neither the Bhagavad Gita, nor the Bible… so I will save you from reading that..unless you want to… 🙂 Hey! Everyone has the right to have their own theory! Followers are wanted. 🙂

So, I go back to the beginning and ask: Have you seen a dino recently? Are any of the Indian scriptures talking about them? Or this is just a recent “foreigner import” just like the UFOs?

Best wishes,

Question: What is the logic behind existence of DYNASORS crores years back while drama is only of 5000 years?

Great question!

I do not know what is the logic behind it. 🙂
Science says that we have existed for millions of years and that everything had a beginning.
Gyan says that everything is eternal and that there is a cycle of 5000 years.

Who do you believe? 🙂
In my experience, I have experienced “deja vues,” “fortune telling,” and had premonitions. All of that proves to me that in fact there is a cycle of time. If you want further “proof” about a cycle at the intellectual level, then I urge you to read this article here. it has plenty of logic and reasoning behind it as well as scientific theories. A must read for analytical minds… 🙂

As far as the “dinos,” i have written on that extensively here.
My position, as explained in the article is very practical: Does it matter whether Dinosaurs existed or not?
if you read that article you will find that there are many things which science is not sure of and that as far as I am concerned, make those statements as simple “theories.”

I am leery about the “millions and millions of years” story… as well as the artists drawings of dinosaurs…. Better stick with the Flintstones! 🙂

Best wishes!

Reader’s input: “Why this drama was created? And why 5000 yr repetition?”

From this article.

“Drama- is eternal- timeless, ageless,pre-ordained, precise, repetitive and very very meaningful.Souls are also ageless,timeless, eternal, indestructible.So is God or Supreme Soul.
Creation – Destruction and once again creation is an active process. Naturally it is very interesting. It adds spice to the life of we souls on the planet earth.When we are in soul-conscious Deity like status, we are unaware that we are souls.We are very happy, healthy, peaceful, joyful and prosperous.That is why we are called Royal idiots in Sat-yug and Treta-yug.We do not even remember our Supreme Father.We don’t have the trikaal-darshi knowledge.Body-consciousness gets the pure souls to pursue the path of Preyas- i.e the path of pursuing materialistic gains and sensual pleasure.Brahmin stage brings knowledge of the past , present and future; the knowledge about our Supreme Father, about the futility of path of preyas and short-term gains, about the pranik energy depletion by this path,and about the ultimate gains of becoming soul-conscious.The whole time-cycle is full of varied experiences.

If we remain in soul-conscious state eternally,we would not realize what is meant by expectation, hope, pain,suffering and thus we would never realize what a happy state we are in when we are soul-conscious. In fact,THIS SHALL BE MONOTONOUS AND BORING.

The pleasure always lies having an active part in the games or the drama as actors.There are millions in audience or spectators.We would prefer to be Sachin Tendulkar hitting century after centuries rather than a non-descript person cheering amidst the crowd.

Cycle of 5000 years- In USA, in Central Park an unique tree is existing whose life-span is always 5000. At present, the tree is nearing the end of it’s life-span.So this may be the proof for the kalpa being of 5000 years only.

Only 5000 years, kali-yug only 1250 years,instead of 40 million years, should be a news for great joy.Already, millions of suffering souls are feeling “Enough is enough.No more of Kali-yug.”Secondly, our life-span is just 100 years.So why bother what happens before it or after it. Making the best out of the present under Shiv Baba’s Shrimat.”

Avyakt7 responds:

1. “When we are in soul-conscious Deity like status, we are unaware that we are souls… That is why we are called Royal idiots.”

According to Baba’s gyan, being soul conscious means to be aware that we are souls. In the golden age we are aware that we are souls. The term “Royal idiots” as you say does not translate into the English word “idiot” which means: A stupid person, a mentally handicapped person. Certainly, it has to be a translation error, for Deities are far from that. The best word that I could find is “innocent.”

2. “We do not even remember our Supreme Father.”

There is no need for that. In the Drama everything works according to need of the time. A deity is no less because they do not “remember our Supreme Father.” “They” are US, in another time.

3. “Cycle of 5000 years- In USA, in Central Park an unique tree is existing whose life-span is always 5000. At present, the tree is nearing the end of it’s life-span.So this may be the proof for the kalpa being of 5000 years only.”

Here is a link of the oldest recorded trees. Let us remember that “The Americas” (USA included) was a “picnic place” which emerged from the Ocean later on. Thus, it is not possible for any tree to be close to 5000 years unless it is found in Bharat, because as we know, everything else was under water.

4. “If we remain in soul-conscious state eternally,we would not realize what is meant by expectation, hope, pain,suffering and thus we would never realize what a happy state we are in when we are soul-conscious. In fact,THIS SHALL BE MONOTONOUS AND BORING.”

🙂 Being in bliss is not “monotonous neither boring.” Those are expressions (monotonous and boring) which only exist in body consciousness. The Drama is about experiencing duality and expressing duality as well. For Brahmin souls, that duality is between soul consciousness and body consciousness. One more item: There is no “happiness” in soul consciousness. Happiness is only known when we experience suffering. In the Golden age we do not experience suffering, therefore; we cannot experience happiness. The right word is Spiritual Bliss, which is a “natural” expression of a soul.

Best wishes.