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Celestial degrees (kalas) Karma, Drama, Shankar and other labels…

BK knowledge has been taught to us by looking at elements as being separated, using the analytical style. That is useful to grasp certain concepts. Nevertheless, in “reality” all of those concepts work together and the only thing that makes a difference between them is the meaning of the names, their labels.

We are caught up with words. We believe in a label and what it represents in our mind. For instance, in Hindu mythology and devotional talk there is a “trimurti,” Brahma , Vishnu and Shiva. Most probably the label “Shiva” was utilized to denote “destruction.” This “task” is many times used in Sakar Murlis, for instance when it is mentioned: “God destroys all bodily religions,” we are talking about Shiva manifesting this task. The same when the Murli says that Shiva “creates the new world through Brahma,” here we complicate things in devotional talk, because we bring “agents” into the picture. Therefore, to make a difference we put God, Shiva at the top with his “ministers” Brahma,(creation) Vishnu (sustenance) and Shankar (destruction.)

When I do a quick search on the term “Shankar” on Wikipedia; I find the following:

“Shankar or Shamkar (Sanskrit शंकर Shaṃkara, “शम + कर, meaning Welfare + Bestower”) is a Sanskrit noun, and means “Beneficent” or “Giver of Bliss”.
It generally refers to a Hindu descriptions of one of the chief gods, Lord Shiva”

Thus, if the above definition is right; we end up referring to Shiva with yet another label, known as “Shankar.” 🙂

This is my quick “demo” #1, of devotional labels and how they can “obscure” matters when taken literally.
A same phenomenon applies to the words: “celestial degrees, karma and Drama.”

A “celestial degree” comes with certain “karma” in it. Meaning, that the type of karma performed will reflect a celestial degree.

Even though in the Golden age, we have “neutral karma” still there is a large threshold of 2500 years of “neutrality.” From one united kingdom in the Golden Age to many little kingdoms in the Silver age.

There is karma (action with a consequence) associated with that even though it is neutral. There is a “declining” going on even in neutrality. All of that is nothing else but the Drama. It is how it moves. That is why even the “4 yugs” is a very arbitrary but simple way to look at the Drama. There are no 4 lines dividing the Drama. It has been done so it could be easily explained and it complies with Hindu mythology as a “model” to explain gyan. However, that easiness has its own complications.

For instance, there is a “Confluence age,” within the Iron age fro Brahmin souls, but at the same time, there is an “advance party” who is neither in the “iron age,” nor at the “confluence age.” 🙂

If we are stuck with the “5 yugs” we will not be able to see that our little labels to explain gyan many times do not fit an ever changing knowledge.

Nevertheless, if we just make the effort and forget about all of those little labels and trying to make our “churning” fit an explanation within the limits of a certain label; all of the sudden; we will be able to grasp the “big elephant,” rather than explaining gyan by looking at the “parts of the elephant” and forgetting that a part is useless by itself unless it is put together as a whole. I could use an elephant (Hinduism) to explain gyan or use a lion (Christianity) as models.

How is that? we could explain gyan by using Christian theology. We have Adam and Eve. We have heaven, we have Satan (Ravan) we have the second coming of Christ to liberate souls, we have destruction, we have creation of a new kingdom, we have even angels… (which is an item of Christianity and not Hinduism.)

That was my little “demo” #2. 🙂

Let us take a look at the whole elephant and have the openness to see that elephant under many perspectives.

Question: In recent SM baba mentiioned about the “Complete Subtle form” of Bramha baba and all Bramhans. We have to imbibe Gyan and acheive ” Complete form” What is mystry of this? Is there two subtle form do exist one is in our body and other in “Subtle World”?

Thank you for your question!
The awareness of our existence, is related with our consciousness. For most individuals, all that exists is the physical world. However, there is a relationship on those “3 worlds” which Baba has explained in Gyan. We are “multi-dimensional.” (for those happy with “tech” words.)

Our consciousness could experience those worlds as well, and in fact we do it (dreams or altered state of consciousness through life threatening situations, etc.) but many times we do not realize it. We forget.

We can see that Brahma Baba is talking about the experience and awareness of his own body of light (for he “became” an angel.) Some souls can “see” those figures of light. Others, can only feel them.
That perfect form is there “waiting.” Those forms of light are imperishable and that is how others can have “visions” of angels.

Every human soul has a body of light. That is how “settlement” is experienced, but not everyone has an “angel” body of light. (Just as not everyone will be a King in the Golden Age.)

Therefore, The experience of the avyakt stage is truly the experience of that angelic body of light when our consciousness is in tune with it, so there are not 2 “body of lights” but just one. As we shed the physical one, we become in “tune” with that one of light; which could be experienced as “being there” or “being here at the same time.” We need to remember that distance and time is not an issue for subtle bodies, but physical bodies.

This is as far as I can put this “mystery” into words. This is an experience not an explanation, and truly to know how “it works” is an idea of an “intellectual” mind-driven person engaged in the physicality of it all.

As I can see now, “let the magic be magic” and rather than find out how the trick works, enjoy the trick; for we will never fully understand how it works even when we experience it, and once we experience it; we will not be able to explain that to others who hasn’t… See the “catch 22”?

Bets wishes!