…It is 100% true that our mind brings suffering. With Master Osho I have realized that mind simply has to be dropped in the journey of going closer to Truth or Enlightenment. But what is Ahnanda’s method to drop the mind? Yes, you have suggested deconditioning the mind. There are 1001 conditionings that society has given us. It’s kind of strange and full of efforts to decondition yourself. PLEASE guide and throw some light on it…it will really help.
Thank you for your question.
Ahnanda is not a guide for anyone. Ahnanda only shares his experiences. The mind is neither “good nor bad.” It is an available tool, that is all.
If you find a “problem” then you will look for a “solution.” That is the duality within society. The game of Life is not like that. Every experience makes up the journey, those are transient experiences necessary as they are.
The mind has increased its importance in our society. The mind is a repository of past experiences, knowledge, morality, values, behaviors, etc. This repository brings to the “now” past information that we use as “truth.” The mind uses “black or white” logic to handle “problems.” Nevertheless, the mind is not a reliable “tool” in Life for it can only see the surface based on learned conditioning.
The “office world” relies on the mind. What we come up with as “solutions” is all conditioning, but we label it as “the “right” thing to “solve” issues in society. However, those will become a “problem” later on.
For instance, the “business mind” has brought many comforts to society, but at the same time; its own deterioration.
Someone invents a light bulb, it is mass produced; then it becomes a problem for the environment. Someone thinks about using concrete to build our society, it is mass produced and there are health problems associated with this. Someone uses ethanol to power cars by mixing it with gasoline, the consequence is impacting the growth of corn for fuel, which in turn brings an environmental issue.
The business mind thrives in selling; thus, humans reproduce exponentially which is good for business… but not “good” for the environment.
Competition is about sales. Sales rely on a larger audience of buyers which in turn reduces natural resources. The duality of society: From few to many people, goes back automatically to few once the saturation point of many people have been reached, and human beings are agents for that.
The conditioned mind thinks: So, what is the “solution,” what is the method to solve this “problem”?
And Ahnanda laughs… 🙂 🙂
How is it possible for a non-domesticated animal to live in balance with Nature, with Life? I mean, they must have developed their thinking, their decision-making skills beyond human imagination! Right? 🙂 They just don’t play the game of society.
But, a rational human being who is educated in using his mind cannot live harmoniously with his environment, with Nature. Isn’t that ironical? Isn’t that paradoxical?
Probably you want a 1-2- 3 step to decondition the mind. You already have the assumption (conditioning) that this will take “effort.” It doesn’t.
It just takes “timing” for you to be ready.
Forget about DOING things to decondition “you.”
Does Nature call you? Do you love Nature to the point that it is natural for you to live close to her, with her?
Do you find that the background noise of the TV, radio and human created noises suffocates you?
Do you find that the game of society is increasingly losing its enchantment for you?
You may be ready then. It takes 9 months before a new human life arrives. There is a process. It is not overnight.
But if you force yourself to live with Nature because of some ideal, if you force yourself not to watch TV or if you force yourself to live like a hermit because you want to “decondition” yourself… It will never happen, although it is a good learning experience!
You are ready for de-conditioning, when it arrives naturally.
You are not ready for it, if you want to make it happen, if you make “effort” to get it. Thus, become AWARE of the process and enjoy it! “You” are going somewhere whether “you” realize it or not… 🙂
Since you asked for “methods” below some of my recommendations to observe the mind:
No… Ahnanda will not tell you DO THIS, DON’T DO THAT. Enough for conditioning.
Let us say that the world is a “shoe box.” There is “John” all by himself in it.
What would be “moral or immoral” for John? What would be “right or wrong” for John?
Answer: What he believes to be.
Let us say that there is another person who joins John later on.
What would be “moral or immoral” to do? What would be “right or wrong” to do?
Answer: it depends on their belief.
Besides beliefs, there are matter of fact consequences. John may enjoy the company of that other being for he was alone before, but at the same time, John likes to have his own space all for himself.
If john was a “black or white” type of individual; he will either choose to be alone or to have company. There is no awareness of integrating both experiences without choosing.
The paradoxical and beautiful thing about the world is that every moral value, every belief system that someone may cherish as “truth” is contradicted by another living species in Nature.
Do you think that a caste system, a hierarchy based on being born in certain social class is “bad”?
Take a look at bees and ants.
Do you think that family life is a thing of the past?
Take a look at how wolves live.
Do you think that to be a loner and to mingle with the opposite gender just to procreate is to take advantage of someone?
Take a look at the life of tigers.
If we observe life as it is in Nature and not the artificially created “world at the office,” we will discover those beautiful contradictions, which make this world what is.
What could be God’s law then, in the observation that every species of “his” creation acts contradicting any written law that could ever be?
Perhaps there is a law for every species?
I have not seen any written codes of conduct for Tigers yet. But because there is that diversity around, could I make myself such a narrow minded, judgmental person who takes sides to label something as “good or bad”?
If there was a law of “good and bad” coming from God himself wouldn’t that be a contradiction of what already exists?
That is why many individuals have decided to create their “own world” in their own “shoe box” to fit their beliefs as “righteous” in their world.
As John’s “shoe box” becomes populated, there is obviously a problem of “logistics” in the human world that animals are unaware of.
Thinking, logic, analysis creates that contradiction which a human being will pretend to resolve through moral standards.
An animal adapts and harmoniously is able to live in balance with its surroundings.
A thinking, “rational” human being is unable to adapt like that.
The question is not “why is that?” because that will take our logic and rationality into greater contradictions.
The point is to observe, feel and act.
Nature has a completely different way of manifesting beyond logic, rationality and belief systems… well beyond our “office world” morality.
The “world of the office,” John’s “shoe box” has rationality, analysis, judgment, comparisons, separation, and, ifs, or, not … computer operations, that we have learned to troubleshoot by breaking the problems in “halfs” until we discover the “culprit.”
Nature does not work like that.
Which world do we choose?
Wrong question if we could see beyond duality, but a rational “good” question for those who cannot.
Integrate everything. Welcome the “office world” and Nature. Experience both.
At that point, we could understand practically that “God” could never have given us any laws to be followed, but to allow us to make sense of things for ourselves…Not intellectually, but by using our “instincts.”
That is insight, intuition, love for the Totality, appreciation of what is, gratefulness and a sense of balance.
When we discover in ourselves what is beautiful, then we have discovered what we have in common with “his” creation.
In my walk around the Bay, a medium-sized bird jumped in the grassy area in front of me. The bird had a long beak and a small body. Don’t know the name of that bird (I didn’t ask the bird 🙂 ) After looking carefully at the bird, I saw that a small crab was in its beak.
The bird was trying to digest the crab and the crab was trying to run away.
The bird would drop the crab and peck the crab to break it apart so it could be eaten.
Despite the scene, it was an interesting time to observe myself. Thoughts were coming about “saving the crab” from the “evil” bird…but then, another thought came up about the bird needing to eat something to survive.
Animals do not kill for the “fun of it,” or because they need to make “more money,” that is human beings. Animals kill when they need to eat.
The word “kill” for some animals is the equivalent of “eating dinner” by a human being.
Then, my mind was divided. The more knowledge or information I have about things, then to “understand” the ways of Nature could be very challenging.
I dropped my thoughts altogether and merely observed without emitting judgment, without emitting human morality to understand things, just looking at the scene.
It was part of the experience of liberating myself from my own mind and from all what I had learned in the past.
Then, I wondered where those moral ideals came from? I remembered curious Billy in the Disney channel, saving his “cute” lab rat from being eaten by the “evil” snake dwelling in a crystal box inside the cold science classroom. I bet the snake doesn’t want to be there….
That snake eats lab rats to survive… but not curious Billy’s rodent! That Billy is a hero! 🙂
Forget about other rats…but Billy’s is out of the question. We don’t want to see Billy with a sad face. That wouldn’t be a “happy end” for a Disney program!
Interesting maneuver to manipulate moral standards…. But for the masses, we should save “cute” animals from evil predators, especially if they are “ours.”
I guess I did not feel that the little crab was “mine,” for otherwise the “morality” of “mine” could have attempted to save that crab…
It comes down to our sense of belonging, of possessing. That creates our morality. Take a look at any commandment; any rule. There is this sense of possession, which becomes important to “protect.”
It is my religion, my country, my family, my…that is what is important. Those things are “mine.” I have some interest over them, I posses them.
Morality is an attempt to protect what is “mine” from what is “yours.”
The interesting thing is that all of those teachings, which we have learned, only exist at the mental level. Those are human inventions, which do not fit the way “real life” works, that is Nature. Similarly, religious beliefs or any belief are only living at the mental level.
In Nature, there is balance. Predators are in balance with other species. It is only when a thinking human being enters into this balancing act; when things get out of balance. A paradox! 🙂
Then one species could disappear. Then another species could become human “pets” for they need “protection.” Then, chaos arises out of the need to “have,” to “possess,” to “accomplish.”
Then human moralists, thinkers, philosophers, scientists, etc. will create a definition, a concept for “everyone” to accept. That lost balance cannot be returned by more thinking.
Isn’t it funny how animals who don’t think live in balance with Nature whereas thinking human beings struggle to do that?
“I think, therefore I exist.”
“I think” that that phrase needs to be revised…
My dear, dear Avyakt7,
In one of the recent SAKAR murlis BABA has said that in SATYUG of course many animals will be there but not all the types which we have in KALIYUG. This fact was somewhat confusing to me. How can the animal types not already present in the GOLDEN age appear during KALIYUG ? For example let us assume for the sake of argument that dogs are not available in SATYUG and that they appear later on in KALIYUG . This is possible only if a dog’s soul floating around canl find an already available body. Hence I thought that the body types must already be present from the confluence age onwards extending into SATYUG and then continue thru the whole cycle, is it not no ? ( Unless we are talking of evolution etc according to DARVIN). May be that I have erred somewhere in understanding. Kindly clarify.
Thank you & best regards to you and everyone of our divine family
Thank you for your fantastic question!
This answer may help some souls to figure out further stuff!
As we know in the Drama, circumstance change. As it is the environment so are the beings in it.
When does the first fly appeared? Obviously as the environment changed into a suitable environment for them to appear, then they appeared. 🙂 Magic!
Now, if you ask me to explain to you the process of how exactly this happend and how a bug developed into a fly; I cannot tell you that. No one can.
However, I can facilitate a better example so your question could be understood.
Now, you see different races in the world. This environment is the environment of variety. Now, let me ask you: What was the race in the Golden age? 🙂 Have you seen a hispanic Narayan? or a Blonde Lakshmi? No.
The race is white with black hair.
So, how the other races appeared? 🙂 Through entropy, beings matched the environment little by little. From white light you have the latent capacity to show all colors of the spectrum as in a rainbow, which will be shown as the environment changes.
Then, obviously the other races appeared as entropy increased, just as animals developed as the environment changed.
We need to remember that there was a destruction at the end of the Silver age, and that meant many changes in the environment which we don’t know of.
Now to finish the example of the races that I gave.
That has been used by some to say that the “white race is superior” than other races because that was the original deity race.
That is not true at all.
The white race now has no resemblance with the features of the Golden age. However, from that white skin color, all other colors can appear later on and other modifications in the structure of the body can appear as well.
When we are caught up in the body and just one birth, we are conscious of only this life. We are not conscious of the many lives we have lived in other bodies and the different colors of clothes that we have worn.
Same for animals. The “clothes” (animals bodies) will appear as the environment changes. There are summer clothes and winter clothes and from those 2 extremes, fall and spring clothes also appear… just like in the cycle of time.
Thank you for your question!
A “vice” is a state of consciousness. A vice is not an activity, but the activity becomes vicious through our state of consciousness. Therefore, when the state of consciousness changes then, activities will change accordingly to match that. “Being” is before “doing.”
Reproduction is reproduction. That is not a vice. What makes it a vice is our state of consciousness. Animals and other living things are a reflection of what is going on with us. As BapDada has mentioned, “the furniture.”
So, as the “masters” so the “furniture.”
Thank you for your kind words.
That question has already been answered here:
I just did a search on “animals” in the search by keyword box in the blog.
Thank you for your question!
BapDada hasn’t revealed anything about animals. If we go deeper into it, we will find out that we will run into the quantum physics dilemma of “being and non-being,” in other words which is the last animal species who have a soul, before “Non-soul” appears? Does a virus have a soul? What about an amoeba? What about a protozoa? what about …? 🙂 Is a virus an “animal”? what about an amoeba, what about a protozoa? etc…
Let us say that I sneeze and in the process “I” kill hundreds of innocent microbes… Do I get a karmic return from that? 🙂 Being and non-being. It can go “ad -nauseum.”
Plants do not have a soul. That is why we can be “non-violents” and vegetarianism is advised for a spiritual life.