Tagged: devotion

Question: Dear brother i love gyan so so much like you.brother,you have told in a answer that “it is imposible for god to create this world”. How can you say that? How can we judge baba’s limits. May be there is other method used,which is not comes in karma. May be the defination of karma is different for baba. Baba only told us”what he do”,not”how he do”. I hope you get my point because i am little slow in english

Thank you for your question!
Dear soul,
I respect your viewpoint. If you want to believe that God can create the world, let it be.
That gyan which we both “love” does not support that, for everything is eternal. Nothing can be created. Every changes in time.
To say that “God creates the world,” is to deny a very important premise of “pure gyan.”

Many times we tend to confuse “admiration” to God as knowledge. That is the origin of “bhakti.”

Best wishes!

Question: Dear Soul, thank you for this wonderful means to explore gyan. i have a question about today’s blessing . When it mentions the bondage the Gopies tie God(Krishna) to and tje bondage we tie Shivbaba to the Kalpa Tree. What does that mean? thankyou.

Thank you for your question and for your kind words!
Dear soul,

The blessing said this: “May you be worthy to be remembered through tying God in the bondage of your love and devotion.
On the path of devotion, it is remembered that the Gopis tied God in bondage to them. This is the bondage of love and devotion which is remembered as their divine activity. You children tie the unlimited Father to the unlimited kalpa tree with your love and devotion and the memorial of this also continues on the path of devotion. In return for this, the Father gives the seat of the
heart-throne to both of these ropes of love and devotion and makes it a swing and gives it to you children. Constantly continue to swing in this swing.”

The meaning of that blessing is to be one to be remembered as those who have love for God. To illustrate that blessing, in the path of devotion Krishna (who is viewed as God) is portrayed with Gopis having love for him. Similarly, in the cycle (Kalpa tree) we will be remembered as those who have “eternal” love for God for even in the path of devotion that love is remembered through different memorials. For that reason, our devotion and our love (path of knowledge) are recognized throughout the kalpa and that knowledge should be the swing to get to the Father’s heart throne.

Best wishes!

“How to get help from Baba” By: BK Gayathri – India

Om shanti dear divine family.

Let us go in to the depth of how we can ‘get help from Baba’.

This is the path of knowledge, a new path that we have taken after half a kalpa’s practice of following the path of devotion. Baba has been quite understanding; in the early days of the Yagya, He carefully chose words to explain this knowledge to His long lost children in a way that was easy for them to grasp.

Sakar murali – 7th Feb 2013 – “..Earlier, you had a very good book of the contrasts. Now, even more good points are emerging. The Father says: Day by day, I tell you very deep things. I would not give you all this knowledge at the same time. Previously, I used to give you very easy knowledge. Day by day, it is becoming deeper and deeper. How could I tell you all the deep things at the same time?”

We notice the gradual difference in His teachings as time went by, considering the maturity of His children. Avyakt muralis are more refined in conveying gyan (keeping in view a larger and global divine family which consists of BKs coming from different backgrounds and with different intellectual capacities). And the latest avyakt muralis direct us to make effort in a much more advanced way. 🙂

Dear divine family, I would like to share a few observations I made in the past. Please do correct me if I am wrong.

Belief 1. Baba helps His obedient children when they are in difficulties.

Many souls (including myself in my early days of gyan) believe that since we are obedient, that is, since we are following shrimat (????), it is Baba’s duty to take care of us and to remove our difficulties. 🙂

We are really naive in believing or, clever in ‘expecting’ that He would come and remove our difficulties; we want to be pampered that way. …

But our dear Baba has explained many times (which we tend to overlook, being selective in following/ listening to shrimat) that His job is not to remove our obstacles or difficulties, but to give us teachings and to guide us. ONLY by following his teachings we can get rid of our problems and that is the ONLY way to TAKE help from Him. 🙂

Usually, any BK, when contacted, would spontaneously give the advice – “Remember Baba, He will help you.” Yes, He has been helping us since the last 75 years by continuously giving gyan. It is up to us how much we take it and put it to use practically.

Baba says, “Children, if I had the power to ‘create’ your fortune, I would have made all of you into kings of kings. But the drama is not made that way.” By stating this, He is clearly indicating that our salvation is based on our own effort.:)

Baba also says, “I do not give you blessings, I only teach you children. If you want blessings, go to the Sanyasis…” Yes, as the Satguru He has been blessing us, but ultimately what ‘creates’ our present and future (fortune) is our own spiritual effort.

2. We did tapasya and Baba was happy with our effort and removed our obstacles.

Some BKs support their belief by saying after doing certain amount of tapasya, Baba removed their obstacles. ( A devotional belief – God appears and grants boons.)

Yes, all that is correct except that it was not Baba who removed their obstacle but it was their spiritual effort which had brought in transformation in them that has caused the end product, and also the mental and/ or the physical suffering that they went through during the process of settlement of their karma which enabled it to happen.

When some very very serviceable souls in Madhuban and abroad left their bodies in accidents, the question was put to Baba during the murali season as to why He did not help such and such a soul. BapDada told the gathering that that soul had a karmic account to settle and Baba could not interfere….

I remember how some of my spiritual classmates reacted to His reply… they were very much disappointed with Baba’s non interference! God does not help His children!!!!!

But those incidents taught me the lesson to make sincere efforts to follow shrimat and not to expect anything more from Baba.

Baba says, “Children, do not expect me to cure your diseases or to bring your family members in to gyan. That is not my job.” – a clear shrimat.

My own experiences from yoga

From the beginning of my Brahmin life I had huge problems; actually, they got ‘created’ after I became a BK. 🙂

There were times when I was crying in agony, I used to feel as if my heart was bursting with pain.And BapDada was quite merciful towards me and granted me visions – in one of the visions He was literally patting on my back, consoling me saying everything would be all right; and to keep me in good humour, even showed me my satyugi image!

There was a time (one of the many times) when I desperately needed His help, and He appeared in His full glory, in that great body of light, and sent a silent message that I was not alone and that He was with me!

Initially, every time such things happened, I imagined that my problems would be solved instantly and that I would be free from sorrow or pain.:) Obviously, no such thing happened. And I learnt that Baba was just encouraging me, giving me hope, giving me the strength to move on in this spiritual path.

3. Yoga cures diseases.

Yes, our practice of yoga makes us pure, burns our sins, transforms us, and to some extent makes us physically healthy in sangamyug; but total health is obtained only when we become karmateet and then in the first half of the kalpa.

We see very, very senior BKs having ailments. That does not mean that they are not having good yoga; it is just that they are settling their accounts and because of their power of yoga they are able to bear the pain and suffering easily.

Through yoga we keep becoming pure and the number of mistakes that we commit become fewer leading to less new karmic accounts to settle. 🙂

Some BKs work on a particular problem for some 21 days or so with total concentration/ dedication and mostly become successful if they did it with all sincerity. That means, during that period of 21 days or so, they were focusing their yoga power on a particular problem hence could succeed in their effort to some extent.

But there is no guarantee that that sickness or problem will not return later on if there is still some karmic account left to be settled. And our burden of sin is so huge that something else may take over the place of the old problem.:)

That is why, let us not look down upon people who are still having obstacles/ sicknesses and consider them to be not good at yoga. Of course, according to drama, we are all numberwise too.

In sangamyug, we have only one mantra, one life giving herb (Jeeva sanjeevini) – REMEMBRANCE. It will certainly ward off all our problems and we will live “happily ever after” (for half a kalpa/ 3/4 of a kalpa).

And until we master the art of constant remembrance/ constantly being soul conscious, we cannot achieve our aim.

Let us not wait for any miracle to happen except for transforming ourselves into satopradhan souls. Baba wants souls who can become equal to Him, heir quality souls. Let us fulfil His desire and help in world transformation.

Om shanti.

Question: Dear brother, In today’s murli, Baba talks about not to waste time and money on the path of devotion, is it because our sanskars of being devotee is so deep that we need to come out of it or we still have not fully become a gyan soul?

Thank you for your question!
The sanskaras of devotion are very deep in Brahmin souls.

Only those who were “worship worthy become worshipers.” That devotion is of course “numberwise,” and that capacity to perform devotion goes along with the capacity of becoming “pure” that is, worthy of worship.

Baba is reminding us of some of our ways in devotion, obviously; the more visible ways, but it will take deep realization to break apart those old habits, as you may have experienced.
That may be called a full-gyani soul….in a numberwise fashion. 🙂

Best wishes,

Question: Sakar Murli of 18/9/12 at pg. 1/3 states: “Even God has to make so much effort on the path of devotion. You would say that His part continues from the copper age till the end of the iron age, or even till the end of the confluence age. You know all of these things. You say that all of this happened in the previous cycle. It also happened 5000 years ago”. I am perplexed to hear the “Even God has to make so much effort on the path of devotion”. Please give some clarification. Thank you.

Thank you for your very good question. 🙂
I am very happy to see that you caught that statement, which is explained in today’s Murli “comment.” (9/18/12)

Basically, it is a “devotional” comment. God does not make any effort at all. That same Murli mentioned about the roles “being fixed,” so things will happen according to those roles. God is not needed to give “returns” to anyone (for instance, from their extreme devotion) for the law of karma takes care of that. For further clarification, please see the comments on today’s sakar murli.

Best wishes, 🙂

Analysis, devotion and Oneness in Spiritual teachings

Any spiritual scripture or teaching has a particular type of language that is preferred. That language becomes the form of expression.
If the followers of a particular religion interpret those teachings under the appropriate language, then the teachings will make sense. However, it is a mistake to maintain that this type of interpretation is the only one which is valid.

That same teaching could be “translated” into other ways of understanding so the teachings could be understood.

This is why we say that “all paths lead to the truth,” but if we listen to the substance behind the explanation of those paths, they will sound different in many ways. Even contradictory.
That is why, understanding is beyond the literal definition of a word when we are dealing with spiritual matters.

To illustrate this, I will describe the word “Rose,” which is just a word for some, a relationship for others and an experience for some other individuals.
Same word. Different meanings.

We could look at a Rose and describe that rose as a dictionary or encyclopedia would such as: “A rose is a woody perennial of the genus Rosa, within the family Rosaceae. There are over 100 species. They form a group of erect shrubs, and climbing or trailing plants, with stems that are often armed with sharp prickles. Flowers are large and showy, in colours ranging from white through yellows and reds…”

That is the typical “western” style of knowing. It is a description based on a ‘catalog’ of words.

I know God, because I can describe Him in a detached manner. We are separated beings.

I could describe the same Rose with a story as in the book “The little Prince.”

“..You’re beautiful, but you’re empty,” he went on. “One could not die for you.
To be sure, an ordinary passerby would think that my rose looked just like you
–the rose that belongs to me. But in herself alone she’s more important
than all the hundreds of you other roses:
because it is she that I have watered;
because it is she that I have put under the glass globe;
because it is for her that I’ve killed the caterpillars
(except the two or three we saved to become butterflies);
because it is she that I have listened to, when she grumbled,
or boasted, or even sometimes when she said nothing.
Because she is MY rose.”

By Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince

That is the “Eastern” typical style of knowing. There is a relationship in everything. A “human like” relationship with God.
God is an experience based on a relationship. Even though we are separate, we have a common link, something which ties everything together. This is the typical devotional story.

I can also explain that Rose as One with me with poetry:

“The beauty of your ever red face
shines in the aroma of your skin
that is your everlasting grace
which makes us lovers akin

You exist because I see you
your scent is my inner aura
your thorns are my mistakes
but your heart,
is what keep us alive.”

In this description of the Rose, elements which bring liveliness, a song, a melody is brought about. The message is meant to “move” someone rather than just inform, describe analyze.
However, it is the same word, “Rose.”

These 3 main types of “understanding” need to be considered when a spiritual teaching is being taught. This is why religious scriptures will appeal to different individuals according to their way of looking at the world. Nothing wrong, nor right. Just different.

Like in poetry, there are no standards here. Just acceptance of those differences.

Devotion, self esteem and religious paths

One of the most striking characteristics of a spiritual path, is their use of devotion as a means of “going further away” from the original “purity” of their teachings. That is “entropy.”

There is no “religion founder” who wanted to be the founder of a religion, as far as I am aware of. A religion appeared because their followers wanted to “bottle up” the experience of the divine by their original founders and the sacredness of it, into perceived “easy steps to follow by followers.”

The further away someone is from a spiritual teaching, the closer that person will move into “devotional practices,” in other words the “substance of the teaching,” will be replaced by the “perceptions of what is sacred or divine.”

Another consequence of devotional practices is, that there will be little difference between the personalities of human beings for the aim will be to make a “cookie cutter” out of everyone. From the way someone dresses to the way someone smiles. There is a perception that by behaving in a certain “standard” way, then that former “divine experience” will be acknowledged, respected and followed.

As a religion emerges out of a spiritual teaching, then certain protocols are expected and perceived as the “proof” that a follower is in the “path.”

Interestingly enough, there will be little difference between this type of behavior and being part of a military force. A “look alike” has the perception of “loyalty.”

The “standard protocol” must be followed and the individual personality crushed, for the aim is to comply with a known standard to deal with and to be perceived by.

Perceptions become the main goal and substance is lost.

Devotion enters into this realm. Devotion is the way to express “low self esteem” in a nutshell. It is a tremendous sense of awe and being impressed by someone. That is often confused with love and respect.

Devotion, worshiping means the acknowledgement that “I am less worthy” than someone else, whether that is God or another guru or person. Devotion is the means to feel “part of” something which cannot be understood. In Devotion, a perception of love is used to show a sense of belonging to someone. However, there is no true love, for love is between equals in self respect, not between “unbalanced relationships.”

Devotion brings this sense of loyalty based on emotions. Devotion lacks understanding for if there was understanding, there wouldn’t be a need for devotion.

Many religions have extreme devotion to God. Their aim is to make a “person” out of God. To worship God. That is not the substance of spirituality but the perception of what “ought to be.”

We need to “sing His praise.” ” We need to obey His orders,” ” We need to love Him,” etc.

The teaching is lost. The substance is gone. Devotion takes over.

God is not a human being. God is not interested in my “devotion.” God is not interested in my little ways of stroking His ego, because He is ego-less. God has teachings. Gurus share a teaching.
The value of that teaching is in my own “imbibing it” out of that understanding and not by compulsion, not because I will be “punished,” if I don’t follow.

A spiritual teaching is meant to enhance who I am by showing me who I am. Change will happen. That is the “substance,” that is the “reason” for a spiritual teaching. That is the “reason” for a religion to exist.

The rest is well intentioned devotion.