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Searching for God or illumination?


In the world of religions there are many faiths, beliefs and behaviors.
Typically 2 different paths have been embraced by the world. The first one is the monotheistic belief. That is, there is an all-powerful God to believe in. The second path is represented by Dharmic religions. Mainly Buddhism. For them, the question is not about knowing God, but on being illuminated, reaching self-realization.

Two different paths, we think.
In reality, it is the same thing just understood in two different ways.

Monotheistic religions have emphasized God as the ultimate goal. We cannot possess God. We can only become “like Him.”

Becoming “like Him” is the ultimate. Here is where plenty of interpretations have occurred in our perceptions: From asking God to help us, to worshipping God, to fighting for God, to praying to God for miracles, to loving God alone, to fearing God alone, to living for God alone, etc.
Very few have gotten to “being like Him.”

The question is:
What actually “being like Him” entails? 🙂

Simple. To be illuminated, self realized.

Two different paths leading to the same thing.

The Taoist verse below explains this paradox with greater elucidation:

“Do you wish to free yourself of mental and emotional knots and become one with the Tao? If so, there are two paths available to you. The first is the path of acceptance. Affirm everyone and everything. Freely extend your goodwill and virtue in every direction, regardless of circumstances. Embrace all things as part of the Harmonious Oneness, and then you will begin to perceive it. The second path is that of denial. Recognize that everything you see and think is a falsehood, an illusion, a veil over the truth. Peel all the veils away, and you will arrive at the Oneness. Though these paths are entirely different, they will deliver you to the same place: spontaneous awareness of the Great Oneness. Once you arrive there, remember: it isn’t necessary to struggle to maintain unity with it. All you have to do is participate in it. “

Hua Hu Ching CH 48

Question: Om Shanti Divine Soul Its a great new service of clearing the doubts of bks regarding gyan. I have been regularly reading and taking benefits of “qun and answer” One of the bks in murli class asked a qun that why Baba alwyas say 8 108 or 16108 why this figure is 108 it could also be some another figure, is it any nakshatra calculation? If we could get some light on this that would be great for us

Thank you for your question!

Here is where we need to apply “pure gyan” as much as possible to separate “mythology” from gyani “facts.”

Basically, it is a way of explaining 3 groups as most examples in BapDada’s explanations are. “The maharatis, the cavalry and the foot soldiers,” Similarly, you have the closest ones to Krishna (8) out of the (108) gopis (cow-herd girls) which is the equivalent of “lovers,” and then the third group which is still close to Krishna but, it seems like a more formal relationship; those are the “wives,” (16,108.) – That is a funny analogy.. 😉

In “pure gyan,” we know that there are 8 dynasties in the Golden age; from “Narayan 1, to Narayan 8.” There you have your 8 “passing with honors,” for they become the ones with “greater status.”

Those numbers could be interpreted according to numerology and according to Hindu tradition as well.
The number 8 means “infinity,” “everything.” Also, power and sacrifice.
The number 8 means the 8 limbs of Vishnu ( combined male and female) Shiva is surrounded by 8 petals, probably the 8 dynasties, which have the meaning of awareness.

The number 108 is considered sacred by Dharmic religions. The individual numbers such as 1,0, 8 mean: “one thing,” “nothing” and “everything” (infinite.) This may have different meanings as well such as “creation,” “destruction,” and “sustenance.” In Hinduism, the number of gopis around Krishna were 108.

The number 16,108 means that “Krishna married 16,108 wives.” or it means to chant “16 rosaries with 108 beads” to be absolved of some sins (according to the Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upaniṣad.)
This could very well mean: 8 Narayan + 8 Lakxmi = 16 which have their “closest ones,” (108.) The number “16” meaning, complete or perfection such as the 16 “celestial degrees.”

In a nutshell: For me it is a source of “light entertainment” rather than having to take those numbers literally; for they do not add anything to gyan other than the representation of 3 distinct groups expressing 2 extremes (the closest one and the furthest away) and the one in between those extremes.

Avyakt Murli 9-30-12

“…Baba saw three types of result. First were those who take. Second were those who were celebrating a meeting and third were those who received and then gave, that is, those who were earning an income. He saw three types of children everywhere.”

“..There were also three types of students. One was those who simply listened to everything, that is, those who remained happy just listening to everything. The second was those who listened to everything and merged it within themselves and the third was those who became knowledge-full, the same as the Father, and were making others the same. ”

Best wishes!