When BapDada mentions in the Avyakt Murlis that “we should have unlimited disinterest,” how do you interpret that? 🙂
The traditional interpretation is that of “apathy,” that is lack of interest, enthusiasm, concern, indifference for worldly things… right? No?? 🙂
Let me illustrate with examples: “This world is full of Maya- illusions. I have “unlimited disinterest” for everything but Godly service.”
“This world is hell, I have distaste for it.” Or to put it in “nicer words,” I have “unlimited disinterest” of this world.
The religious aspect of it is to “separate” Godly from non-Godly. To “do” Godly is “right,” to “do” anything else is “waste of time,” even though, Godly means to “relate” with that which is considered “non-Godly” so it could become “Godly.” 🙂
When we only dare to look at the sun from the small window of our house, we will miss the potential of experiencing the sunshine by venturing a bit further. We could coverup that attitude in life as “Unlimited disinterest.” It happens…
Now, let me illustrate “Unlimited disinterest” by this known story of Hakuin (Zen master)
“The Zen Master Hakuin was praised by his neighbors as one living a pure life.
A beautiful Japanese girl whose parents owned a food store, lived near him. Suddenly without any warning, her parents discovered she was pregnant with a child.
This made her parents angry. She would not confess who the man was, but after much harassment at last named Hakuin.
In great anger the parents went to the master, “Is that so?” was all he would say.
After the child was born it was brought to Hakuin. By this time he had lost his reputation, which did not trouble him, but he took very good care of the child. He obtained milk from his neighbors and everything else the little one needed.
A year later the girl-mother could stand it no longer. She told her parents the truth—that the real father of the child was a young man who worked in the fishmarket.
The mother and the father of the girl at once went to Hakuin to ask his forgiveness, to apologize at length, and to get the child back again.
Hakuin was willing. In yielding the child, all he said was: “Is that so?”
In this story we can observe how Hakuin behaved. He accepted life as it came to him. He wasn’t fighting against it. Praise and Defamation (As BapDada mentions) were treated the same.
For Hakuin, that duality was experienced with “unlimited disinterest.” That is, an openness to the Drama of life. that is not apathy or indifference at all but the opposite.
The above story, has been interpreted by many others in different ways; however, when we have the knowledge, Gyan we can have a great perspective of life that no one else could have. We know of an “eternally predestined Drama,” then; how can we “judge” things for the way they appear to us, without knowing the full consequence of it? the full story? and even then, by knowing that it is a “movie” does it make any sense to judge it?
In the example above, we see “embracing” that which for many will be considered “good or evil” as being equal, there is no difference. As a “detached observer,” Hakuin was merely, observing the “movie” and even pronouncing the same words (Is that so?) in “his defense,” and acting in an egoless manner. It is a movie. Hakuin is “performing his role” but that role is not a consequence of ego, but a consequence of “flowing with life,” as life offers things, as we know the Drama.
Note the complete centeredness, self reliance and trust in life that is needed to do that. Paradoxically, is not being done by “someone.” It happens when there is no “I” to do things, that is “unlimited disinterest.” Apparently, there is a “disinterest” going, but there is none. Hakuin is dynamically acting in the movie of life without that ego which has a choice in “duality,” that ego which rejects and judges, that ego which “thinks too much” about the “pros” and “cons” for the benefit of the “self” before acting. That ego which loves to divide “me” and the “others.”
“Unlimited disinterest” is true selfness. It is not a matter of “definitions” of words to live by, but the experience of trust in life and its processes or as BapDada puts it, a trust in “Drama, God and the self.”
As gyan becomes practical, the full understanding of it is not related with dictionary definitions anymore.
Disinterest means: “The state of not being influenced by personal involvement in something, impartiality,” or “lack of interest in something.”
When Baba says: “Have unlimited disinterest, ” many BKs reactions when hearing that may be:
“I really do not care about this “old, impure, tamopradhan world,” “the brothel,” “ hell;” it will be destroyed soon.”
That is a “body conscious reaction.” It is coming out of a basic understanding of a dictionary word.
Other BKs, will even go to extremes like “having disinterest of life, or work, of relationships, etc.”
Unlimited disinterest is not something created in our minds, it is a natural process of becoming more spiritual involved.
Let me explain this with an example:
When I was 10 year old, my interest was to play with toys. I used to play with little racing cars. As I grew older, “disinterest” became natural. Now, I do not dislike little racing cars or have “distaste” for them, I just have disinterest. They do not pull my attention.
Now, let us say that I was a 10 year old kid, still playing with cars and I heard my Dad saying: “ You should have unlimited disinterest in those toys, for school is more important to earn an income.”
At that point, to please my Dad; because I have so much respect for Him, I would even “raise my hand” when he asks: “raise your hand if you have unlimited disinterest for those little toys.” I would talk about how much “disinterest I have for those cars,” and how childish is to play with them… I will be “playing the game of having disinterested,” when in fact my interest in them still will be there. It just have been repressed.
See the game? It is self lying. It is lack of honesty.
We shouldn’t “practice” to be disinterested on something.
On the other hand, Yoga is like “growing up.” Feeling the spiritual side of us rather than just the corporeal, will bring a new understanding of things which are not related with language or the use of words. Language supports our body consciousness. That is why words cannot explain fully a spiritual reality.
In that new light, we can naturally feel that state when spirituality has more attraction, when the physical world doesn’t have the same pull.
Some like to call that “unlimited disinterest.”
I like to call it “growing up” spiritually.