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The “morality” of ego


When “I” started to have problems within, that was the time when those problems manifested “out there” as “I” will relate with “others” all the time.

Dealing with “others” is what we call to have a relationship.
Nowadays, it is an ego-based relationship.

The most external view of a relationship is observed on how “Jack deals with Jill” everyday.

Jack is like this. Jill is like that. Obviously issues will come up between them.

Could we fix those issues?
Maybe. 🙂
We could create a “code of conduct.” Something delineated so Jack could know that he is “going over the border” and Jill could feel safe from a harsh interaction.

Moreover, we could make that code of conduct into a moral standard and just to add holiness into it, we could say that those are God’s “rules.”

Jack: “You have parked in my parking spot.”
Jill: “ That is not my car.”
Jack: “ Do you know who that may be then?”
Jill: “It is not my problem.”

How could Jack react to “win the fight”? What he could say?

Without any “moral codes,” Jack could insult Jill or even do more than that… Jack could unleash his own “Satan” from deep inside.. 🙂
But, with a “moral code,” Jack will think twice before he reacts harshly.

Jack thought within a second: “Uhhm… I feel like beating her up. No one dares to talk to “me” like that! I just asked her a simple question! But, I was taught to love my neighbor and to give “the other cheek” in cases like this for if “I” do something wrong, “I” may get punished by God. I could be damned forever…If i give the other cheek, I may earn Paradise…What a test paper!”

Jack learns to repress. Nevertheless, Jack could use that incident as an example of how wonderfully he is “transforming.”

He is giving the other cheek. Jack has remained “silent” even though he was verbally attacked…. Hallelujah!

In another consciousness, all issues start with oneself and finish right there.

Jack to cashier at store: “ You must be new here…”
Cashier: “No I have been here for 2 years.”
Jack: “ I don’t recall seeing you before…”
Cashier (getting a little upset): “Either I am not here when you come here or you don’t pay attention when you come.”
Jack (feeling the “ego” distress from the cashier): Yeah, that must be it. I typically don’t pay attention…
Cashier: 🙂 smile…
Jack: Have a great day!

Jack didn’t react. Jack didn’t think about “becoming good.” Jack didn’t follow any code of conduct.
Jack was empty of “self.”

The cashier smiled. She was happy. Jack was smiling. The “ego” door was open. Everything went through it.

Walking around with a defined personality does not allow someone to blend according to the circumstances. That “blending” does not require thinking. It just requires intuition.

A “moral” person is truly someone without ego. Otherwise, the “moral codes” surrounding an ego-driven personality will only enhance and protect ego.

That “morality” becomes a serious “immorality” in the long run.

The paradox of knowing the “self.”

Just before deadline - time, stress or rush concept.

And just when we thought that we have “arrived” by “knowing the self” and its great amount of beliefs, ideas, biases, fears, judgments, expectations, disappointments, and so forth …which are obstacles in living life to the fullest; then we could realize that all of those things are truly what make up our personality, then in a moment of high “illumination” we could wonder: What could happen if all of that junk is miraculously erased from our minds?

Ah!! Then we become empty. Clean. Clear…. But only at the mental level. You see, the mind does not have life in itself although the illusion resides in making us believe that “life is mental.”
For most, life is information, analysis, judgments, choices, moral values, traditions, etc.

To feel is to live. When those feelings are “pure,” that is clean, clear due to a clear mind; then those pure feelings become you own “morality” in life, at that point there is no need for “mental” commandments and codes to follow.
Finally you have connected with the Totality of life, the source or even for some, with the Almighty, with God. No more words to “prove” something. You are the proof.

Please see that nothing here is intellectual. Nothing here is a mental paradigm to follow or a “fool-proof” prescription for everyone.

In the path of the spiritual walker; You find yourself just so you forget yourself. Isn’t that one of the most exciting paradoxes ever devised? 🙂

That is the witness. The detached observer. The “equal to the Father.” The “ego-less,” the “soul conscious,” the …. Come on make up a label to call it!

Of course, experience matters! This is not something that I could “get” by “making effort”… or by “trying hard,” or by “praying to God,” or by … Come on, make up a label!

This just happens as our awareness, our consciousness increases according to time. As we become aware of all that heavy junk residing in our minds… then we could liberate ourselves from being a slave of our own fears.

Because “you” and “me” come from the same source, the same components which make the clock of life to tick, tock… we cannot pinpoint a single component of that clock which is responsible for the “tick tock” but is the togetherness, the Totality of all components making it happen… To feel “I am the one” is meaningless when Oneness is the “One” making things to tick tock… and so the tick tock shall continue despite my beliefs, ideas, taboos and dogmas… Isn’t that fantastic? 🙂

Unlimited Disinterest, anyone?


When BapDada mentions in the Avyakt Murlis that “we should have unlimited disinterest,” how do you interpret that? 🙂

The traditional interpretation is that of “apathy,” that is lack of interest, enthusiasm, concern, indifference for worldly things… right? No?? 🙂

Let me illustrate with examples: “This world is full of Maya- illusions. I have “unlimited disinterest” for everything but Godly service.”

“This world is hell, I have distaste for it.” Or to put it in “nicer words,” I have “unlimited disinterest” of this world.

Sounds familiar?

The religious aspect of it is to “separate” Godly from non-Godly. To “do” Godly is “right,” to “do” anything else is “waste of time,” even though, Godly means to “relate” with that which is considered “non-Godly” so it could become “Godly.” 🙂

When we only dare to look at the sun from the small window of our house, we will miss the potential of experiencing the sunshine by venturing a bit further. We could coverup that attitude in life as “Unlimited disinterest.” It happens…

Now, let me illustrate “Unlimited disinterest” by this known story of Hakuin (Zen master)

“The Zen Master Hakuin was praised by his neighbors as one living a pure life.

A beautiful Japanese girl whose parents owned a food store, lived near him. Suddenly without any warning, her parents discovered she was pregnant with a child.

This made her parents angry. She would not confess who the man was, but after much harassment at last named Hakuin.

In great anger the parents went to the master, “Is that so?” was all he would say.

After the child was born it was brought to Hakuin. By this time he had lost his reputation, which did not trouble him, but he took very good care of the child. He obtained milk from his neighbors and everything else the little one needed.

A year later the girl-mother could stand it no longer. She told her parents the truth—that the real father of the child was a young man who worked in the fishmarket.

The mother and the father of the girl at once went to Hakuin to ask his forgiveness, to apologize at length, and to get the child back again.

Hakuin was willing. In yielding the child, all he said was: “Is that so?”

In this story we can observe how Hakuin behaved. He accepted life as it came to him. He wasn’t fighting against it. Praise and Defamation (As BapDada mentions) were treated the same.

For Hakuin, that duality was experienced with “unlimited disinterest.” That is, an openness to the Drama of life. that is not apathy or indifference at all but the opposite.

The above story, has been interpreted by many others in different ways; however, when we have the knowledge, Gyan we can have a great perspective of life that no one else could have. We know of an “eternally predestined Drama,” then; how can we “judge” things for the way they appear to us, without knowing the full consequence of it? the full story? and even then, by knowing that it is a “movie” does it make any sense to judge it?

In the example above, we see “embracing” that which for many will be considered “good or evil” as being equal, there is no difference. As a “detached observer,” Hakuin was merely, observing the “movie” and even pronouncing the same words (Is that so?) in “his defense,” and acting in an egoless manner. It is a movie. Hakuin is “performing his role” but that role is not a consequence of ego, but a consequence of “flowing with life,” as life offers things, as we know the Drama.

Note the complete centeredness, self reliance and trust in life that is needed to do that. Paradoxically, is not being done by “someone.” It happens when there is no “I” to do things, that is “unlimited disinterest.” Apparently, there is a “disinterest” going, but there is none. Hakuin is dynamically acting in the movie of life without that ego which has a choice in “duality,” that ego which rejects and judges, that ego which “thinks too much” about the “pros” and “cons” for the benefit of the “self” before acting. That ego which loves to divide “me” and the “others.”

“Unlimited disinterest” is true selfness. It is not a matter of “definitions” of words to live by, but the experience of trust in life and its processes or as BapDada puts it, a trust in “Drama, God and the self.”

Question: We do not get attracted to anything… we become beggars in relation to everything ….what baba wants to say in these lines in yesterday murli?

Thank you for your question.
Dear soul,
That was explained in the comments of yesterday’s Murli as well.
Basically, ” Be nothing,” ego-less, etc…many words which only the experience of that state could bring the true meaning of it.

Best wishes!

Point in Depth: Being Combined in Spirituality

“The combined state” is another name for being ego-less.

The word combined brings the awareness that there are 2 items which make up a new one.
Here, you have rice and over there spaghetti. You combine them and you have something new, which is the combination of the former 2 ingredients. In the physical world, it would be very difficult to separate those items again. In spirituality, however; it is just a state of being which could be separated, by ego…

The soul is combined with the body. That becomes a “new” item which is a human being believing that “he is a soul,” or believing that “he is a body.” The experience of any of those states is what will dictate our consciousness. We could believe that we are rice or believe that we are spaghetti, but when we are combined, we are something completely different.

A human being has always been combined. That is the experience. The awareness of just being a “soul” is not even awareness for in that state of being “latent,” in the soul world; there is no awareness.

In the Golden age, there is no Deity that will say: “ I am a soul not a body.” That experience of “being,” without names or separations is what is. That is the experience of being wholesome, one with everything. In the Golden age, there is no “subject” that could say: “I wish I was Narayan,” or “How come He is Narayan and I am not,” or “What do I have to do to become Narayan? “ All of those things are “proof” of our mind separating things, creating rupture and allowing ego to rise up.

When Baba mentions to be “combined” for me, it means that “ego” is out, for if “ego” is “in,” I could never be ”combined,” but rather “separated.”

This idea of dividing everything into pieces, presents a bigger problem when we “know” that the 3 “organs” of the soul are the “mind, intellect and sanskara.” Those “organs” are not the soul, we say; we add that “the soul” is the master of all of those organs; Nevertheless without mind, intellect or sanskara there wouldn’t be an awareness of being a “master.” 😉 Paradox.

The soul is pure consciousness. That is it. Mind, intellect and sanskaras are just part of the role. That role made of those “subtle elements” will tend to “degrade” as time goes by. That degradation is the origin of our current state. Part of the Drama. Another role to play. However, “now” we have the chance to “upgrade” those things which have been “degraded.”

God is pure consciousness. In Parandham, there is no functioning “mind, intellect or sanskara.”
This is why, God does not have a “personality.” For a BK, that personality is given by Brahma Baba. His sanskaras, his mind and his intellect are the ones giving God a personality at different times.

Food for thought. Drink for feelings.

Question: brahma baba’s last words: incorporeal, egoless, viceless. i think it also goes like this incorporeal in thoughts, egoless in words, viceless in actions. right? what is your churning on these last words?

Good question! Thank you.

Let us BapDada answer this question for you. 🙂
From the avyakt Murli of 9/15/71

If you stabilize in the incorporeal stage and become egoless, you will automatically become viceless.”
“you make yourself egoless for a temporary period with many methods, but you have to stabilize constantly in the incorporeal stage and then come into the corporeal to perform actions.
Because this consciousness or practice does not become natural and part of your nature, you are not able to stabilize constantly in the egoless stage.”

Therefore, become incorporeal to be ego-less so you automatically become vice-less. The “easy” method is to experience the incorporeal stage.

All the best!

Question:dear brother, how would you explain the difference between humility and egolessness if there is? many thanks in advance

Great question! Thank you.
I would recommend reading this article about the “lion, donkey and monkey” o understand that we are not dealing here with dictionary words. This is spirituality and words pretty much try to describe something which cannot be described. The ‘epilogue” of that story pretty much explains this.

Lack of ego will certainly display humility (being humble) as way as other “virtues” together. Many times I hear “I am working on being humble.” That is impossible. 🙂
Baba’s teachings are self explanatory. We have “rust” which is being dispelled. The “cleaner” the soul is, those virtues will appear. To be humble is not something that we work on, it is a consequence of being “clean” or rust free. We cannot box that into the word “humility.”
Therefore, lacks of ego brings virtues. One of them is to be humble.

What is to be humble or to display humility?
From the avyakt Murli of 7-1-12
“Humility does not mean to bow down. But to make everyone bow down to your specialties and love.”
Let us remember that everyone of us has specialties which needs to be used, displayed in a natural way. It is part of the role. Many times we feel that we are “humble” when we hide those things. Wrong. The issue is when those specialties bring Ego, arrogance. It shouldn’t be. It is just a role playing through us, which is needed for a certain purpose which is beyond our comprehension. This display of specialties go together with love.
Someone humble is a ” server.” A world server on the one hand, and an authority of knowledge on the other. This is the balance. To be humble is related with the amount of self-respect that we have.
The seed of “good wishes and pure feelings” is to be humble and the consciousness of being an instrument. (ego-less.)
The sign of a master is to have sanskaras of humility and to be constructive.

Thank you!