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Different consciousness

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Every human being has a way of looking at things. That is what could be called their consciousness. When human beings decide to live together, then a collective consciousness arises.

That collective consciousness is a particular way to look at things. It is “their truth.” That is how “being right” or “being wrong” arises.
We only have perceptions and when we strongly believe in a perception, that becomes our reality.

For instance the Inca Empire had a particular belief system. They worshiped Nature and their God Wiracocha was a representation of Nature, especially related with the sea. Once the Spanish conquistadores assumed control of most of South America, then their collective belief system was imposed to the indigenous people due to a ‘religious purification policy’ ( Religious beliefs which in turn came from the Roman Empire) that was going on in Europe at that time, against Christian non-believers.

The queen Isabella from Spain, claimed the indigenous people as their subjects and that is how Christianity appeared in South America.

The above example is not meant to exemplify “good people” and “bad people,” because that does not exist. What exists however is fear to accept someone who is different. The Inca Empire was built by conquering and killing “others” as well. Many smaller cultures were wiped out by the Inca Empire.

Similarly, we have seen the same behavior portrayed by the “ great protagonists” of World History: Alexander the Great, Napoleon Bonaparte, Genghis Khan, Adolf Hitler, etc.

It is the belief of historians that those who have destroyed the most, should be remembered the most. 🙂

This is a clash of consciousness. Nevertheless, in such events what prevails is human brutality. The “change” of someone by the use of force.

That is the way people act even now. It is what is mildly called as “survival of the fittest.”
This is the culture of competition, the ‘winner’ mentality, the ‘cool’ but heartless fighter, the business deal with a kickback included, the “take care of number one” culture, etc.

As our awareness increases, then a sense of openness to other types of consciousness arises. That is not meant to “change you” but being open means to give yourself the opportunity to know and experience things which will be invaluable to understand “others,” by having a first hand experience.

Spirituality at this point in time, is about opening our consciousness from that individuality and rather than “tolerate others,” there is a sense of togetherness.

Reasons and logic do not change consciousness. Neither force or a belief in a particular God.

A logical and reasonable dishonest person could do harm when he only perceives “him” as being the world.

A brutal army can only kill to stop opposition when they perceive “them” as being the world.

A religion can become a tyranny once there is the perception of “them” being the only ones having the truth. The chosen ones.

However, those who have a violent life will experience a violent death.
That is the “law” in life. Not a human law.

As the consciousness of the human being remains unchanged, deeply settled into individuality and his own cultural beliefs, even though technology evolves, “progresses;” then that human being with an egocentrically babyish consciousness, will have the “toys” to continue his tantrum of destroying “obstacles” at a greater scale…until he realizes that the world is him.

Let us hope it is not too late.

Cyclic History—you can have your own proofs! – By: BK. T.D Joseph

Article by: BK. T. D. Joseph, Bangalore, India tdjaum(AT)gmail.com – If you have questions or remarks about this article, please contact the author.
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Godly gyan teaches that history repeats itself every 5000 years. A listener may object asking: Is history only 5000 years old? No, Godly gyan speaks about repetition of history, not about its age. When history repeats itself every 5000 years, its longevity is simply incalculable. Of course, one is always welcome to ask: How can I be sure that history repeats itself?

Turning to history books may not help as history writing itself began in the second half of the Kalpa (cycle of 5000 years) when mankind began to be ruled by “lust, anger and greed.” (Gita 16:21) This time-factor helps us to have a balanced approach to the written history. Often, history is written to suit the purpose of its writer or the Authority that appoints him for the job. When I studied history in the school, Aryan invasion of India [which had exerted tremendous influence on India’s social set-up] was part of our syllabus. Now it is learned that such a thing has never happened, it is a myth.This is true of other branches of science too. When some scientists presented Piltdown Man as the greatest proof for evolution theory, later other scientists proved it as hoax. Whatever the scientists say need not be scientific, just as whatever a joker says need not be a joke! You can see a list of HOAXES in any Encyclopedia.

Apostle Paul, a great Greek scholar—secular and religious—who wrote 14 New Testament books of the Bible, warns us against putting blind faith in whatever we hear or read: “I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard!” (Acts 20:29-31) If this is the case with religious writing, you can imagine how reliable it will be the so called secular history writing!

So, is the situation hopeless? No, the same Bible authorizes us to do something in parallel: “Test them all; hold on to what is good [originally kalos, Greek, meaning inherently and intrinsically good], reject every kind of evil.” (1 Thessalonians 5:21, 22) Hence we are under obligation to take only what our REASON concludes as something inherently and intrinsically good. For example, we may read in Evolution & History books that homo sapiens appeared on earth lakhs of years ago. Here we need to use our reason: How many years needed for a couple to have 4 children? 8 years. Let us give 150 years! First couple produced 4 children in 150 years, and they died. These 4 children [or 2 couples] produced 4 children each in another 150 years. If we calculate like this, it would take only 4800 years to reach more than 8.5 Billion population, which is more than the current population of the whole Earth.

Let us see what happens in front of our eyes, and use the power of our reason to arrive at a firm conclusion. We will do something like ocean-examination—by tasting some drops from here and there, we conclude its water is salty. Similarly, let us take some samples of human behavior:

1) Everyone knows that possession is an illusion; and this is the most-attested truth in the world. One has to die leaving behind everything he thought as belonging to him—assets, relatives, fame etc. Yet, people go on repeating the same old habit of accumulating to their maximum capacity, and believe they own them.

2) Everyone knows prevention is better than cure. Yet people, in general, prefer cure. This explains why the number of diseases and hospitals are increasing! This is true of even Governments who know how to prevent wars, yet prepare themselves to win the war through fighting it out at any cost! Both the rulers and the ruled have been repeating this wasteful act.

3) Everyone knows happiness comes from helping others without expecting anything in return. The more unselfish one is the happier he will be. Yet we find individuals and nations repeating exploitation of others. Golden Rule is replaced with another rule: ‘Those who have gold rule.’

4) People love blaming others when something goes wrong, yet hate receiving it. Experience has taught everyone that it is futile to try to change others whereas it is very much feasible to change oneself. Yet people repeat the folly of blaming others and trying to transform others.

5) Even when ideal persons appear on the world scene, people still want to continue with their old habits. For example, Buddha, who was born to a king, understood the valuelessness of pursuing power and pleasure. And we have modern examples of billionaires who turn philanthropists later. Yet majority want to repeat their materialistic passion.

6) Whenever someone, with good-intention, tried to change the corrupt system, he has been shaved off from the face of the earth. Killing the messenger if message is not liked is being repeated with no let-up.

7) Religions have correctly identified egoism as the opposite of spirituality. Yet they are not prepared to merge and become one world-religion for the whole humanity, making the worship simple and thus avoiding all confusion and colossal wastage. This means religions themselves have become a BIG EGO, doing everything within its power to safeguard its identity, which is the very essence of ego! Thus all religions have been repeating this irony of asking their members to fight ego while they themselves remain fostering it!

Don’t these samples of human behavior prove that history repeats itself?

So, what would these attitudes of human-beings lead to, once again? We will inevitably cause/ invoke another world war and catastrophe that will bring us back to the beginning of the next cycle of time. History repeats itself!

Question: OM SHANTI . I AM IN GYAN SINCE ONE YEAR. I AM CONFUSED ABT. 5000 YEAR CYCLE , IF IT IS REAPITATION THEN WHY REMAINS OF “SATYUG” AND ” TRETAYUGA” NOT VISIBLE TO OUR ARCHEOLOGIST EVEN WHEN THEY ARE GETTING REMAINS OF DINOSOURAS AND OTHER ANIMAL WHICH THEY CLAIM SOME LACKS OF YEAR OLD ? WHY THE INNVOTION OF MODERN SCIENCES CONTRADICT WITH BRAHMAKUMARIS GYAN ABOUT OUR EXISTANCE ON EARTH ? CAN YOU HELP ME IN REGARDS TO THIS …..

Thank you for your question!
Dear soul,

I have written here many articles about the 5000 year cycle. You can do a search on the “search article by keywords” in the blog, by the “blog stats.”

Let me showcase again an article which I wrote sometime ago https://explore7.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/chickenegg.pdf This article has been the #1 article for a long time now. This article even though it answers the question of “who is first the chicken or the egg?” in reality it answer the validity of cyclical time. That website is not a Brahma Kumaris website. Why is that article the #1 article if it merely explains gyan in a more worldly way? Please read it. (the article was in helium.com which is no longer in business.)

The cycle of time is what exists from a logical, reasonable perspective for there is no beginning of time and if there was, I am eagerly waiting for “proof” on that. 🙂 Please send that proof to me.

The “proof” of the cycle of time of being a short span, according to gyan; of 5000 years is quite possible if we just look at the trend on population. You may wan to look at this article.

That article has the classical answers. Finally, I want to add something “new.” You say that there are no “proof of the Golden age, etc.” Let me tell you that there is.

I am a Peruvian native. Let me tell you that the history that I learned in Peru about Peruvians and World history is quite different than the ones made by Americans and Europeans. It is not about dates. It is about perceptions and theories built upon them.
It is about covering up things that our science cannot explain through crafty theories.

Peru has been a “picnic place.” According to Gyan, that means a place where Deities used to go to “catch some rays,” and to surf by the Pacific ocean in their veemans. Peru has one of the oldest cultures in the world. It has been greatly exploited throughout history by different “Developed countries.” The history books of Peruvians are different when it comes to British and USA “doings” in Peruvian territory in the last 150 years. I know because I have studied them and somehow experienced it.

It is all about economical interests. History is written that way. Once Europeans came to Peru, a new religion was in place. That is Christianity. That religion wasn’t taken by the love of people for the “son of God,” but simply it was imposed. Likewise, Western culture is being imposed in a more “subtle way” in the world. Scientists will support the “status quo.” That means linear time. That means the belief that we are “much better off now than before,” that means that our culture is far more advanced now than what it was before.

Not true.

Please research about Macchu Picchu. “One of the 8 wonders of the world.” Please research about the Nazca Lines. I have been in Macchu Picchu a couple of times. There is no way on Earth that our current worshiped technology could make something like it. Look at the structures. Feel the vibes there. See how the knowledge of astronomy, architecture and aesthetics all blend in. Accepted theories show that this site was probably built by aliens… 🙂 Iam talking about something that I have first hand experience. There are other “memorials” in other parts of the world, such as the pyramids in Egypt, the ones in Mexico, their advanced knowledge in astronomy, etc.

Here a little website. By the way, “Macchu Picchu” was “discovered” by an American, Hiram Bingham; even though natives new about it long ago, but it takes a foreigner to “discover things.”

It is a wonder how scientific theories come mostly from American or British scientists, specially from the most renowned universities. You do not hear much about latin american scientists making a “breakthrough.” It is not because they cannot think. It is because they are not part of the “game.”

Please read this website for further information about the scientific whims of the time. How some scientists were treated just to preserve the “old stuff.” 🙂 Change is not always welcomed.

I think i have given you enough “intellectual material.” Just remember that a change of consciousness means a different way of looking at things. That hopefully will come with time.
Welcome to the BK club!

May you grow and prosper…

Best wishes!

Question: According to BK gyan, how did various languages arise?

Thank you for your question!
According to “pure gyan” that is explained through the concept of “numberwise” (entropy.)
Language is nothing else but the ability to communicate using certain protocols with certain people. Those protocols are learned by living in a determined socio-cultural setting.

As we know, in the Golden age there was “unity.” Whether there was a spoken language there (“Pure Hindi” 🙂 ) or telepathy or a combination; the fact according to gyan is that in the silver age, different kingdoms appeared. Bharat wasn’t the only “land” anymore, but there were several “picnic places” all over the world. (Continents emerged again.) At that point, of “division,” language is the first thing that becomes fragmented.

As we know, there was “destruction” at the end of the Silver age. At that point, many souls were dispersed around the world. From that point, different cultures emerged and therefore; different languages.

The point in gyan that explains this is: “From the seed, expansion appears.” From that same seed, different branches will appear. These changes do not take hundreds of thousands of years as believed, but just a couple hundred, especially when “technology” wasn’t available for worldwide communication.

Best wishes!

Question: About the truth of BK knowledge compared to history and science . See full question below.

Comment: I was churning some of the information in the murlis and need some clarification on the below.

The  murlis stated that the cycle is 5000 years.At the ending of 5000 years, the Golden Age starts again and goes on for 1,250years, then the Silver Age starts which goes for 1,250 years,then  copper age – 1250 years then iron age 1250years, then Golden Age again.We are in the Confluence age  right now.

For  this calculation, let us take it that the Iron Age ends today and The Golden age will be starting tomorrow.. Today is August,  2012 AD ( AFTER THE DEATH OF CHRIST).Christ came in the copper age. Take away 2,500 years (I.E  the Copper age – 1,250 years PLUS  the Iron age – another 1,250 years)we ended up with 488 YEARS BC(BEFORE THE  BIRTH OF CHRIST).2500 YEARS from today, OR 488 YEARS BC should be the ending of the Silver Age in which the BK teaching says that there  were still harmony on this planet with no fighting between nations/ countries etc. Plus  Souls were taking bodies by yoga power  and not by any kind of lust…sexual relationships.

History can prove that more than 3,200 years from today ( which will be in the Silver AGE ) babies were born not by Yoga power but  by having SEXUAL  RELATIONSHIP(a male and female )coming together, there were lots of fighting between countries –Greece, Egypt etc. 3,500  or 3000 years ago from today,the various nations had temples and places of worship where they went to worship their gods and goddesses.Therefore, where did the 21 trouble free births by Yoga power in the Golden and Silver Age( which should exist 2500 years from today plus 488 years – total 3000 years approx ago. ) which the BK is teaching  coming from?

Besides the BK had  PREDICTED that destruction will take place a number of times in the past, yet we are still here.e.g in Jan 18, 1977 .

Please do not get me wrong…… The BK Teachings in some areas e.g  we are all souls, Karma, purity , positive thinking are very good  but I am trying to make sense out of some of their teachings.

Looking forward for your reply

OmShanti,

Br .xxxx

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Response:

Thank you for your question.

That question has already been fully discussed here:

http://bkgyan.com/2012/05/13/statement-i-challenge-any-bk-to-explain-to-me-why-the-scholars-view-of-history-is-wrong-and-give-me-the-evidence-to-support-the-bks-concept-of-the-5000-year-cycle-baba-says-is-not-evi/

Basically, you have the belief in “history of the world” versus Baba’s versions.

Don’t give me wrong but I have found many “glitches” in the history of the world. The most outstanding one being the assertion that the human race has existed for millions of years in “linear” time while current world population tells me that this is impossible, for the simple fact of “rate of growth.”  We have populated the Earth from 1 billion to 6 billion in way less than 1000 years. If in fact, we had lived for millions of years; our population would have been way greater than our current 7 billion people. Just simple logic.

I am also leery on the explanation that science has about the “origin” of entropy. How the world started in high entropy as the “norm.”

Brian Greene, Ph.D in Physics mentioned in his book, “The Fabric of the Cosmos” in page 164 “You should never be surprised or feel the need to explain why any physical system is in a high-entropy state. Such states are the norm. On the contrary, what does need explaining is why any given physical system is in a state of order, a state of low entropy.”

The cycle of time explains both, low entropy and high entropy without a problem. If you would like to read more about it, here is a link:

Click to access time.pdf

This will put the concept of “linear time” in the waste basket, which is defended by current science. I can go on with other appreciation of scientific “facts,” but history is not a domain of science because their own dating tests have been proven to be faulty and history has been manipulated in many instances. Just human behavior in kaliyug.

Science is good to apply laws and to create inventions, but I do not have any “proof” that what my book of history says is true.

On the other hand, as I explained before; I had experienced “Deja vues,” “fortune telling,” (which tells me that the cycle of time exists and it is repetitive, as Baba mentions)  and had an experience which allowed me to understand cyclical time instantly, which is explained here:
http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/topic101.html
and which allowed this role to write this article here,

Click to access chickenegg.pdf


which has become the #1 article out of 49 in the topic.

That is “proof” to me. So, I choose Baba’s gyan at any time over any other knowledge.

As far as “destruction,” I have shared plenty on that here:

http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/topic27.html

There is the knowledge of destruction, which is merely transformation for matter cannot be created neither destroyed… Only transformed.

Best wishes!

STATEMENT: “I challenge any BK to explain to me why the scholars’ view of history is wrong, and give me the evidence to support the BKs’ concept of the 5000 Year Cycle. “Baba says …” is not evidence.”

This statement was made by Dr. Peter Iveson, when he wrote this article:
which you can read here
which was forwarded to me by a BK asking for my opinion. I decided to go ahead and write this piece about this article and respond to that challenge. Hopefully this article will get into Dr. Iveson’s eyes.

First, let me make clear that Dr. Iveson is basically playing Baba’s gyan on Western “historical research.”

I have problems with that. “History of the world” has been catered towards European view of the world. Let us not forget about Mayans and North American Indians, and South American Incas who strongly believed in a cyclical view of time. According to Christian European history, the year 1492 is when Christopher Columbus “discovered” America. Wrong.
America has a longer history than Europe and if everyone is to recite that 1492 is the year of its discovery, that is in fact a very biased way of looking at history of the world.

With this in mind, let me add that Gregorian calendar is an European invention based on the interests of Christianity.

If we want to disprove Baba’s gyan because a Ph.D or a group of them have gotten together to recollect arbitrary facts about our world, then that is not the right approach. The reason why I say “arbitrary” is because there have been historians/mathematicians who have challenged current historical dates and they have been shut down by the “status quo” Christian faith/the mob of “mainstream.” Here is an example: History:Fiction or Science? by A.T Fomenko (Russia) who is part of what is known as “New Chronology” movement. Here the link to know more about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_%28Fomenko%29#Fomenko.27s_claims
Certainly this is a “must know” for any BK interested in explaining the 5000 year cycle history to an intellectual who professes faith on mainstream Ph.Ds. Here is a youtube link

As I have mentioned before and many times already, current population alone and trends of it in the last 200 years (census) categorically disprove that human beings have existed for millions of years. See this:
However, by the magic of mathematics we can see that 5000 years is indeed feasible, especially if we take the work of hard core, traditional Christians Ph.Ds who are maintaining that God created the world 6000 years ago. Let them show us the “truth” about carbon dating and other scientific “proven” tests.

The mistake of Dr. Iveson is to try to fit Baba’s gyan into Western dogma called “history of the world.” (Should say European version.) If we are to prove Baba’s gyan wrong, we need to look at concepts of gyan itself to disprove that. We cannot disprove Plato by using the concepts of Rousseau.

We want evidence of 5000 year cycle? There is none. Just like scientific evidence about the age of the Earth (to err on millions of years is allowed under scientific dogma.)

Now, if we want to assume that Baba’s year is in fact equivalent to Gregorian calendar, then we can see that we are in year 2012. Note that AD is considered year “1” so we have already an error of a year.

We are really in 2011 for that reason. If in fact, 2011 years have passed since Jesus was born and before that we had 500 years (beginning of Copper age) then it follows that we are over the 2500 years allowed in Baba’s gyan. However, the mistake is to believe that Baba is counting the 2000 years when Jesus was born.

Baba is explaining that “Christ” is the founder of that religion and we also know through gyan that Christ incarnated into Jesus in his later years out of his “historical” 33 years of life. Some authors dispute that Christ lived many more years after the crucifixion and that he even died in India.

Therefore, when do we start counting those 2000 years? When Christianity was established. When was that? We do not know. If we think that this date is when Christ incarnated on Jesus and if we believe that to happen when Jesus was 30, then we still have about 20 years more to go before destruction or before the “cut off” date happens. But, this is just an speculation like anything else.

Therefore, I don’t see any issue with a 5000 year old cycle. It is quite possible and it has plenty of supporters starting with hard core Christian Ph.Ds (Especially now that more scientists are jumping on the bandwagon of a cyclical view of time and endless “big-bangs”….)