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Reasoning needs to finish to understand Spirituality

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This is the talk about “Spiritual matters” between 2 friends, Mathias and Ananda.  The talk started with the recognition of fear and how an intuition is related with fear. As the talk went on, “reasoning and logic” turned that friendly sharing into some sort of “debate,” where listening to another in the light of self observation was forgotten and only intellectual concepts took over.

Mathias: Fear creates suppositions, suppositions create wear and tear in the self; that break down will finally exhaust you.
Precaution and intuition does not trap you in that state of mental exhaustion.

Ananda: When a person says that intuitively she has to leave from doing something, that intuition gives her fear to leave right away….
Mathias: That intuition is not intuition. Intuition is something fast, instantaneous. It doesn’t give time for doubt.

Ananda: An Intuition could be mistaken?
Mathias: If that intuition does not go according to your wishes, then for you it will be a mistake, but if it goes according to the Universe it cannot be a mistake.
Ananda: Then, an intuition could be according to the Universe or according to our expectations?
Mathias: Definitely.

Ananda: If I am afraid that a dog will bite me, and I want to get out from it, then intuition appears….
Mathias: When there is fear, there is no intuition. When there is day there cannot be night.

Ananda: Interesting…
It seems like fear is what is making us suffer..
Mathias: When there is intuition there is no fear for a few seconds but because an intuition is so fast, then fear could come.. That is why intuition needs to be followed by action because there shouldn’t be an empty space after it.
Intuition is quick. Fear is slow, long.

Ananda: But..fear is a thought, right?
Mathias paused and realized that Ananda kept asking questions without considering and observing in himself the answers that he was getting, then Mathias decided to discourage Ananda’s reasoning by asking unrelated questions instead. This is what is known as “Koans” or riddles or mental puzzles, words just to exhaust the reasoning ability of someone who is trapped in concepts which will not allow that person to “see” without limiting definitions.

Mathias: Is the day an action?
Ananda thought that question to be weird, it was not related with the talk at all but Ananda answered Mathias’ question anyway.
Ananda: The day is an action? No, it is not an action.
Mathias: The night, is a state of consciousness?
Ananda: Yes and No.
Mathias: To lie is an action or an alternative?
Ananda: It is an alternative.
Mathias: It is not an action?
Ananda: No, I have not performed an action.
Mathias: When you lie, you create karma?
Ananda: Yes.
Mathias:What is the meaning of karma?
Ananda: Action. But I have not performed an action…
Mathias: It is an akarma then?
Ananda: It is an akarma which could have consequences…
Mathias: There could be consequences when there are no actions?
Ananda: No.. There cannot be consequence when there are no actions… but to lie, you say it is an action, but I am not doing any actions..
Mathias then finally replied:  Mathias haven’t said that.. Mathias only tries to make you tired until he can speak with you.
Ananda smiled nervously and said…OK
Mathias further added: Mathias only wants to speak with you.

Ananda is full of concepts and has a “debating” attitude. It is about demonstrating who is “right.” He has a conceptual answer for everything based on reason and logic. However, his learning in life is based on experiences and not in mentally understanding concepts. Mathias words are helpful as long as Ananda can see those words in himself and not when he separates those words as mental concepts.

The “problem” of  Ananda is the “problem” of most intellectuals when dealing with Spirituality. Learning about life and the self is not “book learning.”  To debate about who is “right” means very little when it is about knowing the self.

Ananda: I want to understand, that is why I ask questions..
Mathias: It is not from the game of reasoning where you could understand. You will only run around like a dog chasing its own tail until you get tired of it…But when you get tired and sit down and observe, you will understand.

Question for May 24, 2013

Om shanti. Pl put light on my below 2 queries: 1) If soul exit in planet earth only than what is the reason for creation/having such HUGE big Universe with millions and millions of stars,planets etc.. Only a earth, moon and sun may be sufficient with few stars may sufficient to balance out gravity etc. etc. 2) In some other meditation type where they imagine/call cosmic energy from UNiverse to flow on them and onece they feel fill up, then they direct it to anywhere they want for healing/any other purpose. They are not connecting with Siv baba soul, the actual energy source insted connecting with the mass universe. Is really it happens and cosmic energy exits. Thank you———-

Thank you for your great questions!

Dear soul,

You are making assumptions here based on what science is currently able to decipher. However, that “current accepted theory” is not necessarily equivalent to the “truth.”

Let me ask a simple question for that: Is the Universe finite or infinite? 🙂 If someone says “infinite,” then how can we be so certain about it? Just because a telescope has a limitation; or a space craft has gone to a certain point and there is more, it doesn’t mean that the Universe is infinite.

Similarly, how do we know that Universe is finite? And if so, where are the limits? 🙂
It is unfortunate that many times we assume things based on information from current scientific beliefs which by the way, when it comes about non tangible “reality,” (out of our experience) any theory is just that, a theory; a way to explain things which are “out of our reach,” a way to make sense of “reality.”
Is the Universe infinite or finite? Here is when “logic” is of no use. We could easily get caught up with intellectual concepts.

Therefore, I am reluctant on accepting something that I do not know (as being it) and have no way on knowing physically. That is why, I base my own exploration in spirituality on my own experiences primarily.

We perceive the Universe from our perspective of “learned,” “educated” beings. Everything has to have a “reason.” Probably there is a “reason” to have a solar system and to see that the Earth is in the perfect position for human beings to thrive.

However, we can only guess the “real reason.”

Let me suggest this to read:
http://bkgyan.com/2013/01/16/the-5000-year-cycle-and-the-quest-for-proof-according-to-our-consciousness/

It talks a bit about quantum physics and another bit about Gyan. “Location” in time brings a certain consciousness. That consciousness is called “collective consciousness.”

Just as for many “normal” people it will be very difficult to think or feel as a Deity in the Golden age because of their current consciousness, which will not allow them to perceive something further; similarly, the knowledge that we have in physical terms is being challenged all the time. That is why I like quantum physics; because it represents a challenge in all of that which we thought we knew. It brings knowing to the level of paradoxes and thus, makes it unavailable for many minds, which are not trained to see through them.

The soul exists. It is not bound by our concept of a physical planet. It just happen that the “world Drama” the world scenario is the Earth.

On your second question, many people do not call the Divine, “shivBaba.” That is just a label. Avyakt7 is not me. It is just a label to describe that which you do not know, which is “me.”

However, because we are part of this “oneness,” in the Drama, we can connect and because energy is all there is we could deliver that energy through our intention. This is the easy explanation of the power of “good wishes and pure feelings,” which in other places could be known as “reiki,” or “quantum healing, “ or “prana healing,” etc.

When we get caught up with labels, we think that the label is the “thing,” and we could even fight for a label and die for it.
What matters is the experience of that unity. Call it whatever you want.

I wouldn’t call that practice “meditation,” even though some may like to call that as meditation. For me is just a way to redirect energy, either our own or as a channel.
Meditation moves our consciousness to a different “location” so we could see things with different eyes.

Best wishes!