Question: Breaking vicious cycles in life
“Breaking the Vicious Cycle: In the old epic called Mahabharath there is a story of “Chakravyuh”, It is said that Arjun’s son whilst in the womb heard half the story of how to enter the chakravyuh but when Krishna was telling the part of how to get out of it, since his mother went to sleep. he gets killed coz he enters but does not know how to get out. We as beings in this cycle create so many vicious cycles in our lives which we enter rather easily but do not know how to get out of it- I will give you an example- Ram has been attending spiritual classes for the past 15 years- when it was told that destruction is just around the corner- impact- he took it easy as far as his career is concerned- his fitness- his relationship with his immediate family- You cannot eat food cooked by people who are not in gyan- Your children should also come to the center- Now after a few years of this honeymoon intoxication the effect of this started to show- his career went downhill- he somehow thinks that everything is going to be allright tommorrow- because bapdada is there to help- This cycle continues for a long long time- he starts to then feel that he has no choice to be positive and think that everything is going to be okay- very much like the investors thought post 9/11…. Now how does Ram break this vicious cycle he has created and so many small cycles with-in it to come out and breathe some fresh air- thanks and regards.”
Thank you for your question. To break a vicious cycle in our life is pretty easy once there is complete realization of what is happening.
Many times, we “think that we know,” but we don’t. Many times, we think that we have figured it out; but we don’t. Many times, we don’t accept help, because we think that we can deal with it ourselves. Many times, we fool ourselves because we don’t want to see what is in front of us.
For those readers who would like to know a bit of information about what is “Chakravyuha,” you can find it here:
Indeed the Mahabharath has a great analogy with this story.
The character who died in the Chakravyuha (circle of military formation) is known by the name of Abhimanyu. Clearly, we can see that only having half of the information of something, is not the proper way to behave. That is why, we “think that we know,” when we don’t.
The question is, why Abhimanyu had to die in such a way, or what prompted him to do such an action?
In the Indian Mythology, it is said that Abhimanyu was an enemy of Lord Krishna in his previous birth, he was the demon Abhikasura!
The teaching, is that whatever you see that is going on, under this belief; it is due to your karma from previous births. Thus, for most is about blaming into our past for whatever we have done has a consequence in the present. Nevertheless, we forget that Abhimanyu will be someone different in his next birth by following this belief system. It is a never ending story with many plots along the way!
There are many ways to look at this. Life is a story. How you perceive that story to be, is how it will be for you. Abhimanyu, lived like any of us; did what he thought it was “right” like any of us would do and died like any of us will do. His story is just different than anyone else but the end result is the same.
Abhimanyu acted as his role in life was meant to be. The interpretation of his role in life depends on us, the “outsiders,” we are the ones feeling pity or qualifying his life as “good” or “bad.” However, life does not work under human moral standards. Abhimanyu had a role to perform and he did it. End of report.
The example that you are giving is your own perception of life. Your own interpretation when things do not happen as you thought they should.
Please see that you are living. No one could stop you from enjoying life as it is for you.
Ram has followed a lifestyle just because he believed that destruction of the world was just around. That belief brought other changes in his life, which are not the consequence of following a religious group, but the consequence of following your own beliefs.
Please see that.
What Ram has realized thus far?
Let me give this story in exchange:
Ananda, on the other hand; joined the same group that Ram belongs to, only because he wanted to know God.
Ananda knew God through an experience after many years in that group, but Ananda realized, that he didn’t know himself. That realization was so strong and so evident; that Ananda had to change.
Could Ananda be upset with that religious group for not telling him that “to know yourself is the ultimate”?
Or Ananda should be “seeing” this experience in a different way: “Because Ananda got to know God; then Ananda was able to recognize the importance of knowing himself. Without that previous experience, Ananda would have not experienced that other strong realization.
Ram needs to be honest with himself and ask himself what is what Ram wants out of life?
If Ram wants a career or “help from God,” or to belong to a group to get “salvation,” perhaps Ram is not looking into the right avenues.
Nevertheless, until Ram does not fully realize this, things will go as they are, the vicious cycle will continue on… we could call this “karma” to feel “good” about it… but there is no complete realization.
That honesty can move you into a different experience, but there is risk involved when not ready, just like Abhimanyu experienced by not knowing how to get out of the “Chakravyuha,”…. By not paying attention that the way he entered the circle, is the same door to get out… 🙂
Many questions…in one question
The following questions were formulated by a BK soul. I would like to remind all of you that I am not a fortune teller. My answers are based on churning gyan. Many of the questions are repeated questions. From now on I will just say “that question was asked before,” and as I showed many times how to search terms in this blog, I trust that the articles will be found.
I will answer the soul’s questions in between his questions:
Nummers of the FAMILY members in the FIRST LINE;
Pick a number.
The Divine Intellect Whom are the 8 First BK Family members?
Or what is meant by the First 8 members?
It was responded before. See “rosary.”
Then you have the Rosary of 108 Also Baba mentions 16,108 what is meant by that?
That question was asked before and responded as well.
Is it correct that GOLDEN AGE has ONLY a maximum of 900,000 souls to enter over the entire era of 1250 years EACH having 8 births? Or is that the number of souls whom are directly to be transferred into the next Kalpa (all be it numberwise) are these INCLUDING the subjects?
900,000 souls at the beginning of the Golden age. They will reproduce in the duration of that age. If you read the “Mystery of 21 births” you will see that it is difficult to know who has 7 births or 8 births in the GA. Your last question needs to be clarified.
What is the number of souls at the end of Golden Age? What is number of souls at the end of Silver Age?
The Murli mentions 330 million souls at the end of Silver age. That is it as far as I know.
Now my question to you:
How is that information helpful to you in any way? If it is just out of curiosity, please don’t do that to me.
If you plan to figure out the different numbers by extrapolating them and figuring out that out of 900,000 to start if they have each 2 children knowing that their life expectancy was 150 years, and if you put them together in the 1250 years duration of the Golden age then you could figure it out the end population of the Golden age and to double check if the 330 million at the end of the Silver age is the correct number; let me use this opportunity to briefly say that to be a waste of time. Why? Because estimates are based on “fixed realities.” Rate of growth is not constant because not everyone lives 150 years on “the dot.” Those differences make a difference overtime in larger population; AND you don’t know that those 900,000 in day “1” where “really” in their first birth of the 8 permitted in the Golden age, or in their second… (???) 🙂 That was answered before as well.(see mystery of 21 births) Krishna was in his “second” birth on day “1” when he became Narayan.
Divine Intellect: The Divine Intellect is like the Heart of the soul, however it can ALSO BE DESCRIBED as a Hand (Catching Power) I remember a Class given by Sister Meera Bhen Ji in BapDada’s Season 2009/2010 about the Divine Intellect and Catching Power. I would like to go deeper into Baba’s spiritual knowledge regarding how the Divine Intellect works and where does the Divine Intellect consists of in spiritual terms? Does the Divine Intellect consists of 5 ‘fingers’ or ‘members’ of the ‘GOVERNMENT’ ? Whom is at the Top of the Government? It is DESCRIBED that soul consists of 3 faculties ( Divine Intellect, Mind & Sanskars) though there must be much more to learn about the Divine Intellect.
Divine intellect: Absence of waste. That is as deep as it gets.
Question: Om Shanti, Dear Brother, I have a question on the establishment of the new world (satya yug). According to my understanding, the new world will be established before the destruction will take place. Then in that case Krishna will have to born through the act of physical contact between a couple. Then how can Krishna is completely pure. Please clarify me.
Thank you for your good question!
According to Sakar Murlis, Krishna will be born as destruction takes place. As we know, there is not much mentioned about Krishna’s parents; other than belonging to royalty. We also know about the “Advanced Party.” Personally, I do not want to speculate as far as how Krishna is born. The only thing I know for a fact, is that a different consciousness has to give him birth. Human beings are not aware of that consciousness at this time, for we are floating in the vices.
Celibacy in Brahmin souls at this time is required not because “sex is bad;” but because we have vices in us which will degrade us and which are “running the show in our lives.” A Brahmin soul has the potential to follow celibacy in a numberwise way. For, being able to be celibate in a healthy way, without repression; is the trademark of being liberated from sex lust. Until we have not been liberated from that vice, we will not be able to understand the “how that happens” on spiritually advanced beings. 🙂
THE SERMONISER OF THE GITA –WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHY, HOW? – -an invitation to know.
The following well written article came as a response to a question of a reader: http://wp.me/p2fovd-R8
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Authors of this article:
B.K.Gayathri, B.K.Khem Jokhoo, B.K.Dr.Kamta, B.K.Ranjit Singh Fulia, B.K.Prakash Talathi, & B.K.Aarti.
The Bhagavad Gita is one of the most popular scriptures which people have been reading and teaching daily with great devotion. Some of the verses of Gita are very well known. In one popular verse – Krishna says that he would incarnate in the world when there is a decline of righteousness and unrighteiousness prevails, to establish dharma.
According to the cycles of time there are four main ages or epochs namely Satyuga, Tretayuga, Dwapuryuga, and then Kaliyuga.
It is believed that Shri Krishna sermonized the Gita in Dwapur Yuga.
The question that many people are asking is that- If Shri Krishna had sermonised the Gita in Dwapur Yuga to establish righteousness, the age that followed DwaparYuga is Kaliyuga. Everyone knows that Kaliyuga is full of unrighteousness, devilishness, and there is an all-round decline of moral and spiritual values. So if Krishna comes in Dwapur Yuga Kaliyuga should be better but it is not the case.
It is written in many scriptures that there is a time when there would be a great destruction of the humanity (pralaya)
Since time spins in a cyclic pattern according to the kaal chakra [wheel of time], when Kaliyuga ends, Sat Yuga, the Age of Righteousness or Dharma, starts and the creation would be replete with all celestial degrees. There will be health, wealth, and happiness for everyone in Satyuga and it would be veritable heaven on earth.
So, one may wonder whether God is going to incarnate now at the end of Kaliyug, and Sermonize Gita again and re-educate His children to become righteous.
It is more logical to think that He would incarnate at the end of Kaliyuga and the beginning of Satyuga or, to be exact, at the confluence or meeting of these two ages.
This period can be called the Confluence Age or Sangam Yuga which would be a fifth Age. So the five Ages woud be Satyuga, Tretayuga, Dwapuryuga, Kaliyuga and Sangam Yuga.
Now, let us examine the aspect of what is the form and attributes of God, the only one who has the power to change this impure world.
2. WHO – Shri Krishna or God Shiva?
Some people call God ‘Ishwar’, some call Him Jehova, while some call him ‘Allah’, but He and His form remain the same.
1) God is one who is accepted by all,
2) God is the Supreme,
3) God is beyond all bondages of action,
4) God is omniscient,
5) God is boundless or unlimited in all His attributes.
God is the father, mother, friend, preceptor / guide, teacher and protector of all souls. He is the only one who has no parents, guide, teacher or protector above Him.
Unlike human souls, God doesn’t come into the cycle of birth and death. Hence He is called ‘ Ajanma’ (One who doesn’t take birth).
It is said in the Gita, “I am ‘Mahakaal ‘ (the great death ]. Death can never approach me.”
Upon taking birth, humans are bound to act and get the fruit of their actions. God, however, is ‘Akarta’ (one who does not perform any action) and ‘Abhokta’ (one who doesn’t experience the result of any action).
God is said to be ‘Trikaldarshi’ (one who knows the three aspects of time – the past, present and future).
God is described as Trilokinath or Lord of the three worlds.
He is also described as Trinetri or one with ‘three eyes’. He bestows the knowledge of the third eye on humans.
3. Who is the Supreme soul? What did He do?
God Shiva is referred to as Paramatma [Param+atma -the Supreme Soul], while all the other gods and goddesses in the Hindu pantheon are called devi devatas or deities. That is why the prayer, Brahma devaaya namah, Vishnu devaaya namah, Shankar devaaya namah…, ends with Shiv paramaatmaaya namah.
The Supreme Soul never takes birth as humas do. He however takes a divine birth to salvage humanity. Divine birth means that He does not come into the womb of a mother; He enters the body of a human being whom He names Prajapita Brahma. He uses the organ of the mouth of this individual called Brahma to speak. He gives the knowledge to create the new world or Satyuga.
Since His birth is divine and spiritual, God is the One who does not have parents. That’s why the word ‘Shambhu’ is suffixed to Shiva. ‘Shambhu’ is short for ‘Swayambhu’ – the One who is self created. The Supreme Soul has no father or mother, friend or relative, preceptor or protector. He is also described as the One who is beyond the cycle of birth and death.
It is said that Lord Rama himself made and worshipped a Shiva lingam in Rameswaram before defeating Ravan. Sri Krishna worshipped the Shiva lingam at Gopeshwar. Similarly, it is said that on the battlefield of Kurukshetra, before the war started, all the five Pandavs and Krishna worshipped Lord Shiva as Sthaneshwar(Lord of the Place) to gain powers. It is described in the scriptures that whenever the deities faced any problems, they used to rush to Lord Shiva for help.
We see pictures depicting Mahadev, Shankar, doing tapasya in front of a Shivalingam. It means that deity Shankar and Shiva are two separate entities.
Shankar has a subtle body whereas Shiva is nirakar or incorporeal, meaning, He does not have a sublte or gross bodily form.
Maha dev Shankar is not worshipped in the form of a lingam;
The Lingam is called Shiva lingam not Shankar lingam. Shankar is shown wearing a crescent moon, a snake around his neck, and river Ganges flowing from his head.
The conclusion that can be drawn is that Rama, Sri Krishna, and Shankar are deities whereas Shiva is Parmatma or the supreme soul.
God Shiva is incorporeal; He is a Point of Light, or Jyoti Bindu. For the purpose of worship devotees use a Shiva lingum as it is not practical to worship a bindi or Jyoti bindu, Shiva’s true form.
The Supreme Soul, Supreme Father Shiva is the Creator of the three murthis of Brahma, Vishnu, and Mahadev Shankar. God Shiva creates the New world through Brahma, sustains that world through Vishnu, and carries out destruction of the iron aged world through Shankar.
God is described as Satyam, Shivam , Sundaram, that is, the TRUTH, the BENEFACTOR, and as BEAUTIFUL.
God is the Truth, God is the Benefactor, God is beautiful (constantly pure). He is Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram.
4 – The descent of Shiv Paramatma at Sangamyuga, according to scriptures
If the spiritual secrets behind the festival of Shivratri are understood, world transformation will take place easily. Shivratri is not a festival for just Shaivites. If one studies ancient civilizations and cultures it becomes apparent that Shivratri is a festival for all souls of the world.
For example, in the Mahabharata it’s written – “When this world plunged into clutches of darkness and vicious proliferation, an egg-like form of light descended and established a new world order. The light uttered a few words and gave divine birth to Prajapita Brahma.”
In the Manu smriti, it is mentioned that in the very beginning of creation, a point of light manifested itself, and its brilliance was like that of a thousand suns.
Likewise, in the Dharma Samhita part of Shivpuran, it is stated that at the end of Kaliyug, during the time of destruction, a magnificent light (Jyotirling) revealed itself and it was blindingly luminous and radiant.
Further, it is said that the light was eternal and it never decreased or increased in size, and that the world was created through this light.
When God Shiva descends at confluence of kaliyuga and Satyuga, or Sangam yuga He gives the knowledge that Time moves in a cyclic pattern and that all the 4 ages (Satyuga , Treta, Dwapar,and Kaliyug) get repeated every cycle or kalpa. A kalpa is of 5000 years duration.
The 100 year period between the end of Kaliyuga and the beginning of Satyuga is called the Sangam yuga or Confluence Age. It is the most auspicious age because God comes on earth at that time. In fact it is the most elevated age because man becomes elevated hence it is also called Purshotam sangam yuga.
When God Shiva comes, He sermonises Gita, and establishes the Original Eternal Deity Religion (Adi Sanatan Devi- Devata Dharm). This is the religion that gets continued in Satyug and Treta yug. God’s descent and incarnation on earth is known as Shivratri or Shiv jayanti. Since He sermonizes the Gita it is also the birth of the Gita.
Not only Hindus, but Jews, Christians and Muslims also believe in an incorporeal God. There are Shiva temples in every nook and corner of India. He is venerated as Vishwanath in the east (Kashi), Amarnath in the north, Rameshwar in the south, Somnath in the west, Mahakaleshwar in Ujjain, Kedarnath in the Himalayas, Vaidyanath in Bihar, Omkarnath in Madhya Pradesh, Bhuvaneshwar, and Dwarka. In Nepal, Shiva is worshipped as Pashupatinath.
The ancient names of God such as ‘Shuin’ in Babylon, ‘Seva’ or ‘Sevajya’ in Syria, Egypt and Fiji; ‘Sibru’ in the land occupied by the progeny of Abraham and Jehova are not too different from the Sanskrit word ‘Shiva’, which, according to some scholars, is the confluence of two phonetic parts, ‘shi’ and ‘va’, meaning redeemer and liberator from sins and sufferings.
From the above, it may be inferred that Supreme Soul Shiva has done something praiseworthy for the betterment of the whole world and hence He is remembered by people of all cultures and religions in different ways.
The Supreme Soul, God, incarnates in Sangamyug and educates human beings on how to lead a pure and elevated life. His sermons are called shrimat. It is the real Gita sermonised by God Himself that becomes instrumental in establishing a new world order, a new religion called Adi Sanatana Devi devata Dharm (The Original Eternal Deity Religion)..
5. Is Gita originally a part of Mahabarat?
Students of Sanskrit literature are well aware that the original name of epic Mahabharat was Jai Samhita which contained around 8000 shlokas (verses). Some more writers went on adding to it and it was later re-named Bharat Samhita, keeping in view that it was the story of this great country called Bharat. Many more writers subsequently added more matter and it became quite voluminous in size. Then its name was changed to Mahabharat.
In Gita, there are 700 Sanskrit verses contained within 18 chapters, divided into three sections each consisting of six chapters. They are Karma Yoga– the yoga of actions. Bhakti Yoga– the yoga of devotion and Jnana Yoga– the yoga of knowledge. From Gita one can learn accurate and fundamental knowledge about God, the ultimate truth, creation, birth and death, the results of actions, the eternal soul, liberation and the purpose as well as the goal of human life.
Some scholars opine that Gita was originally a separate granth/ book which was later on included in Mahabharat. They contend that in most parts of Gita, there is no mention of any physical war. What is dealt in it is a spiritual war –mention of soul, God, nature, birth, re-birth, action or karma, devotion, virtues and vices, salvation, etc.
Mahabharat is an epic, it is not a history book. Dr.S.Radhakrishnan, an eminent philosopher (ex president of India), also had, in his book on Gita, written – “We do not know the name of the author of the Gita; so also the names of the authors of almost all ancient books of Bharat are unknown.”
6. What is the time now in the time cycle?
Presently, we are in Sangamyuga. God Shiva has descended on earth and has been teaching the ancient Raj yoga. His elevated versions are called shrimat. God is sermonising Gita once again in this kalpa during this Sangamyuga.
Brahma kumaris have been spreading His teachings since 75 years. This Raja yoga course is given free of charge. There are already around 8,500 Brahma Kumaris centres in 134 countries. Brahma Kumaris Organisation has been working with the United Nations for world peace and upliftment of humanity for more than 30 years and received many awards.
You are all welcome to learn this Raj yoga and to establish a link with the Supreme Soul who is the Ocean of Knowledge and World Almighty Authority.
Question: Reproduction with out Sex – is that possible? Baba says it happens with Power of Yoga – How does Brahma Baba come down as Krishna (Vishnu) in Golden Age with out the act of reproduction?
Thank you for your question!
Short answer: According to science, it is possible. (How do you like my citation of science for a change…)
First, religions have described “immaculate births,” take a look at this link written by ‘sincerely yours’ sometime ago.
Then, we have a “nice” experiment by science with “Dolly,” the “most famous sheep in history.”
and to close the paragraphs of “evidence,” here an article about “sexless reproduction in human beings” according to an Indian geneticist.
Now, we have the versions of religion, which have been around for centuries and the versions of science from the last couple of years… 🙂 Who do you believe?
Baba says that it happens through “the power of yoga.” We need to be aware that this may be literal or may not. (For Baba’s audience had a child like mentality back then and also the traditional Indian modesty, when it comes to “sexuality” which makes talks about sexuality sort of a taboo.)
For a Brahmin soul, that shouldn’t be a worry now… for things will happen automatically without us figuring that stuff out now, specially since practicing celibacy at this time.
Starting point of the Golden age and the mystery of the 21 births: resolved
In today’s Murli (8-18-12) Baba mentioned:
Although Radhe and Krishna will have taken birth, it won’t be called the golden age at that time. It is when they sit on the throne of the kingdom in the form of Lakshmi and Narayan that that era will begin. Until then, souls will continue to come and go. All of these things have to be churned.
Therefore Krishna and Radhe are born in the “impure world.” Thus, Krishna will have his “second” birth once the Golden age starts, that is when he becomes Narayan.
That is the mystery of the 21 births.
Articles which deal with this topic could be read here:
Question: The Sakar Murli of 17/7/12 Pg 2/3 states……”They have given the discus to Krishna as well as to Vishnu” Please explain the significance : giving the discus to Krishna/Vishnu
Thank you for your question.
Sakar Murlis usually bring the significance of Hindu devotional stories into a new light.
In this case, Baba refers to the significance of spinning the “Discuss of self-realization,” meaning the realization of the soul interpreting different roles in time. BapDada has given us a drill to experiment with these stages.
Sakar Murlis have mentioned that in devotional stories Krishna (viewed as God in devotion) and Vishnu,(viewed as God as well) have been adorned with the discuss as an ornament. That discus have been portrayed as “capable of cutting the heads of the demons.”
Through the Sakar murli, we understand that Krishna is a deity and Vishnu is the representation of Lakshmi and Narayan together (the representation of the Golden/Silver ages.) Moreover, Narayan is the same Krishna as an adult. Thus, basically devotion represents the same individual with the discus as an ornament.
Baba has mentioned that truly the discus belongs “now” to a Brahmin soul and not to a Golden age deity such as Krishna. Thus, the discus of self realization is an ornament of a BK soul, for in the Golden age, there is no need for it.