One reader asked this question.
God is a being, someone… but at the same time everything including you and me. Therefore, if you want to know God truly, you must know yourself first.
🙂 Do you like that straight “logical” answer?
Most would like to hear something like: God is this or that. Then, they would like to have his picture along with the latest copy of his holy book to learn about his teachings…
Isn’t that a human expectation based on our ways of understanding things (the world at the office)?
On the other hand, others will be looking for “proof.”
“If I cannot speak with him and ask questions to him so he can demonstrate that he is God, then I will not believe.”
Question: What are you going to ask? 🙂
Do black holes exist? How everything started? Did dinosaurs exist? Do we go to heaven/hell or do we take rebirth?
If God answers you, how could you obtain “proof” that in fact, that is so.
How about this “tricky” question: What am I going to do tomorrow… or in the future? God must know that… Right?
So… I don’t do it… and don’t believe in him 🙂
But, if the prediction happens…Lucy the ”fortune teller” across the street, could do the same… so he is an impostor…
We perceive things as we ARE.
If that hasn’t been realized, we will be looking for “logical answers.”
An intellectual could look for ways to demonstrate that the above statement is not logical and if it is not logical nor reasonable, it is not true.
That is one benefit of living in the “world at the office.” 😉
What is the belief there?
That logic is a way to discover truth. Does logic reflects Nature? Yes or No… 🙂
If “No,” then what is the use of it?
Answer: To be able to live in the “world at the office.”
If “Yes,” if logic reflects Nature, then it must change. Isn’t that logical? 🙂
The world is a huge mirror. We perceive things according to what we ARE, which goes according to our consciousness, thus the necessity to know who we ARE. The answer of the question: Who is God? goes according to that perception.
Please be aware that what we ARE is not related with “hand-me-down” knowledge or information.
Who Am I? That is the question to ask, paradoxically without asking a question or using words. 🙂
Some “spiritual gurus” have answered:
Without insight, that answer is only a game of words for followers to repeat and sound “knowledgeable;” that is to build their ego.
Avyakt7’s response to who am I? is:
What I am not?
In the “world” of consciousness there is no difference between the object and the observer. Our senses make that perception of difference. Consciousness is manifested through “our” sense organs, thus the world of individuality appears.
The drop is not different from the Ocean… but at the same time they are… depending on the consciousness that you look at it.
A drop is a drop and the Ocean is not the drop. That is called logic.
A drop is the Ocean and the Ocean is the drop. That is called a Paradox.
Some will deny one side as an “illusion” and embrace the other. Both are 2 sides of the same coin.
That coin is called Oneness. In a different consciousness, we could see the coin as a whole and at the same time its 2 sides.
Therefore: as you ARE, as your consciousness IS, that is how your perception will BE.
Santa Claus exists.
I have a picture of him and I, when I was a little kid. That is the proof.
Someone may say: That wasn’t Santa. That was a guy dressing like him.
“No way. Santa gave me a gift. Santa smiled with a big “Ho, Ho, Ho” to me. That is proof. “
Little Avyakt7’s consciousness at that time had an experience with Santa Claus, an unforgettable experience when he was able to feel love and happiness of being with the one who everyone talks about at Christmas… Avyakt7 received a gift from him…
But…Avyakt7’s consciousness changed, all by itself without any help from anyone; then, Avyakt7 could say at that time that “Santa truly exists… but he doesn’t.”
One day Avyakt7 had to BE Santa for his little cousin.
At that time, there was no difference between Santa and Avyakt7.
God is logically…a coin with 3 sides. 🙂
“In one of your write-ups you mentioned about J Krishnamurthi..I have read quite a lot of his works..and i always felt his underline “idea” has always been to be free from all the beliefs and then one can know truly about oneself. But I fail to understand, how can one do that…isn’t getting rid from the beliefs also a belief in itself?
I agree that one should constantly question their beliefs and “work” on them, but how can one not have a belief?
This question has been on my mind for quite sometime now…”
This question could be applied to the “common good.”
Thank you for your question! Please place your undivided attention into this writing and a new insight may develop. 🙂
Intellectual understanding is very limited for things which are related with “living life to the fullest.”
Avyakt7 is not saying that “intellectual understanding is bad.” No.
Intellectual understanding is “good” for “another day at the office, honey…” type of scenario. 🙂 Intellectual understanding is “good” to get your certification in Cisco routers and to successfully complete a test in a school setting, etc.
If we are trying to use our intellectual understanding to “get” what J. Krishnamurti is conveying, we will have a very vague idea, no matter how many of his books we read.
J. Krishnamurti is usually labeled as a “thinker…”
Aristotle was a thinker. Voltaire was a thinker. Descartes was a thinker. A philosopher is a thinker…we cannot say the same for men who have experienced a different level of consciousness.
“Thinking” is not the adequate word, for that thinking comes from “conditioning,” that is from the past.
Krishnamurti had insight and so, many others so-called “spiritual teachers.”
For example, whenever a person uses his intellectual ability to understand “God,” he will be like Epicurus.
His philosophy departs from a preconceived idea of who “God” is.
God is omnipotent. God is omniscient. God is this and that…
That belief “defines” his “God.” Every religion has a different belief, a different definition of their “God.”
Atheists could jump in the “bandwagon” for Epicurus has demonstrated “logically” that there is no God needed.
Epicurus have only negated his own definitions and ideas by using the game of words.
God is not a definition. A definition is not the thing.
That is the tricky aspect about relying in the logic and reasoning of intellectual understanding.
Logic and reasoning are part of the “office” environment. That is part of the “man made” artificial world of squares and triangles, cement and computers…
What is the shortest path between point A and point B?
Intellectually, we repeat. A straight line.
Bravo! That conditioning works great. However, there are no straight lines in Nature.
You may be able to pass your exam at the College near you, but at the same time; we need to be aware that we are dealing with “Disneyland knowledge,” that is something which only exists in our imagination… 🙂
With the above little preface, we could go into your question.
isn’t getting rid of beliefs also a belief in itself?”
The intellectual answer is “Yes and No.”
Do you like that? 🙂
Let us try the Zen method for intellectuals.
First get rid of all your beliefs…
Now, get rid of the belief that “getting rid of beliefs is a belief in itself…”
No more beliefs…
Now that our minds are clean from intellectual cluttering, perhaps we could share something meaningful…
When Avyakt7 refers to “get rid of beliefs,” Avyakt7 is constrained by language. The simple but dangerous “black or white” understanding may arrive for some.
“Pink pigs are able to fly.” It is a belief.
If someone tells you: “NO…you are wrong.” How do you feel about it? Do you defend yourself?
If yes. Get rid of that belief. If No… it wasn’t a belief. It was a thought… 🙂
Now, that we understand the game of beliefs, we could go further to push our own beliefs.
“Abortion is good”
What do you think?
If you disagree with me, that is fine as long as that statement does not move you, that is as long as you don’t put your energy to defend yourself or your position.
The issue with beliefs is not whether they are “right or wrong” that is debatable intellectual morality. The issue is to discover what moves you into some uncomfortable setting, something that gets you out of a peaceful self.
Let us try another one.
“God does not exist.”
Did it move you? Do you feel like defending God or rather your belief about God? 🙂
The opposite holds true. If you tell an atheist (someone who has labeled himself as “not believing in God”) that “God exists,” that person may strongly argue with you if he has identified with his beliefs.
On the other hand, if not he will carry on as a “normal” peaceful person, acknowledging your statement without “believing” in it…
How is that possible?
We shouldn’t forget that we are dealing with “perceptions of reality” and everyone is entitled to their beliefs. The problem is when we identify with them by REJECTING anything else.
That rejection in life will bring a lesson from life to learn to be open. ( As many other articles here explained that.)
Because there is oneness in openness. If we reject a part of life, we reject ourselves.
One more time, life is not interested in how “right or wrong” we are in our beliefs. That is of no consequence once we understand that we are dealing with perceptions.
Now… comes Mr. Intellectual and asks:
“You are saying that reality is a perception, right? Isn’t that another perception?”
And then… Avyakt7 will reply like his friend Mathias taught him:
“Yes and No.”
And if that doesn’t do the trick, then Avyakt7 will go back to the “Zen method” for intellectuals….
Any teaching that comes from insight is not to be taken intellectually. We could get lost in words, concepts and definitions by doing so.
Those teachings are meant to be used as a mirror to look at ourselves. Once we do that, we could “understand without understanding…”
Paradoxes are beyond logic and reasoning.
Life is a beautiful paradox. 🙂
As we are discovering, many ideas that we may hold “true” or certain, are at best ambiguous depending on our state of consciousness.
Definitely the world is as we perceive it. However, that perception is not “reality” by any means.
The “sunset” is not real. There is no sun setting in the horizon. However, there is one… because we “see it.”
Let us say that we have the “almighty God” speaking with us. We probably would like to ask questions to him to “prove” that he is God. Right?
What could you ask knowing the above about “reality”? (Reality is not “real”)
God will have to tune into our state of consciousness to be able to communicate with us. By doing so, there cannot be “complete” answers.
Dear God, You “say” that you are omnipotent. Can you create a stone that you cannot lift?
Answer me: YES or NO.
If you answer “NO” then you cannot be omnipotent… but if you answer YES, then you are not omnipotent either, because you cannot lift that rock. See? 🙂
That is the trap of logic and language. A Kid’s game used by grown ups.
Truly, the only thing that we could ask is about “how to increase our consciousness” and then that reply will be catered towards a particular individual at a particular time. It cannot be an answer for all.
Do we want to ask about how to get rich or when are we going to get married or when are we going to die? 🙂
If we are never going to experience being rich in this life, do we want for God to give us suffering by telling us the “truth”?
It will not happen because a higher state of consciousness is respectful of everyone’s experience in life.
If we believe in heaven in the afterlife, then a higher consciousness will obviously relate with us using that same belief in mind, for it is up to us to realize the limit of our own beliefs. There is a growing process necessary, immersed in that belief which has the potential to change at any time according to the openness of our consciousness.
The flower opens little by little so it does not get hurt.
Any society and any religion will have plenty of beliefs. Once we realize that, then the point is not to label those as “false” or “true” because they can be either one according to our consciousness.
The point is to see that those beliefs are there in a life learning scenario, to open up our consciousness.
Since there is nothing that could be truly known, for knowing is “boxed in” a particular consciousness, then it makes sense to enjoy our time rather than spending time thinking about answers of life ‘greatest questions.’
We could enjoy our time. Enjoy living life. That has in itself a “good” karma… 🙂
Some will interpret to “enjoy life” as pleasure. You are an “epicurean” avyakt7!
Another label out of a misinterpretation.
To enjoy is to be fully present to appreciate. That is not a particular thing but the whole context. The whole experience. Totality.
Truly there is nothing to “do.” We are “here.” Let us enjoy that moment. Let us share our joy. Let us feel the “common union” (Communion) with everything.
Lost in beliefs (theories, ideas, concepts, thoughts) we cannot appreciate life as it “is.” 🙂
Intelligence is related with Consciousness.
But it is not the intelligence that it is known in the world of “business.”
We cannot define intelligence as the dictionary tells us: “The ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills,” for intelligence is not something that could be “acquired” by someone nor “knowledge” is static or dogmatic.
It is evolving with our experiences.
In our society we have the common understanding that someone “intelligent” is someone who has lots of information, able to use language in a sophisticated manner and who can solve “problems” by applying that theoretical “know-how.” 🙂
The above is what a computer can do. That is not intelligence. It is a mechanical use of information.
Intelligence has nothing to do with acquiring information. Someone who is intelligent is someone who is able to see things “out of the box.”
That vision “out of the box” means greater consciousness. “Out of the box” means to go beyond the framework of beliefs, traditions and common understanding. All of those cultural limits are observed but not rejected. Those limits have the potential to move, to open up according to the circumstances.
When there is lack of “openness,” someone who may be able to look at things from a different perspective; may feel affected if he is not understood. His reaction will be to reject other positions. To be “closed” to them.
Timing is a very important variable in intelligence for everything has its “right time.”
When there is no sense of timing, a great idea maybe a “bad” one when the time is not ripe enough. A fruit tastes delicious at a particular time.
Spirituality beyond religious dogmas, opens our intuition and sensibility to “tune in,” to know without keeping “knowledge” in our minds.
That is for sure a non-definable intelligence. Something that could not be taught in our educational system when what is important, is to teach students “how to think.”
Intelligence is beyond thinking. It is “pure” consciousness. In that consciousness there is acceptance of everything without rejection by always seeing possibilities.
For example, we have been told that light exists. We believe that. We say that we “see light” therefore, it exists. There is no need for “proof.”
Scientists use measurements based on the “speed of light.” – “That galaxy is 200 light years from us…” That sounds pretty “intelligent.” 🙂
Light does not exist.
That is a crazy thought!
Our eyes have the ability to “see” light, that is to interpret “something” as light, but that does not mean that light is a “reality.”
Here a couple of links for the explanation of the above.
“Light absolutely does not exist”
Someone who had an “investment” in the idea that “light exists” may reject the above. His consciousness will be closed to any other idea, opinion or view.
His brain/ computer has the “wrong” knowledge!
To accept that his “knowledge” was “wrong” becomes an existential issue. A matter of pride rather than amusement.
Now…going into more “spiritual” themes… 😉
Sometimes “smart people” can ask the wrong questions.
“What is the exact mechanism for the working of the law of karma?” 🙂
These individuals believe that life is analysis. Their consciousness believe that the “law of karma” could be divided into “parts” and every “part” dissected like the parts of a watch.
Their consciousness is engaged in the world of logic and analysis.
Nevertheless, something referred to as the “law of karma” does not exist under a different consciousness.
“Karma” as action, just means experiences.
Those experiences are neither “good” nor “bad” for a different consciousness who is able to perceive his own eternity. When our consciousness is limited by prejudices, beliefs and concepts; then it is easy to apply the words “good,” and “bad” to make differences, to accept and to reject.
Many religions talk about a “doomsday” or “destruction.” Their followers may be scared to death by listening to that. The consciousness of those followers is limited by their beliefs and fears. Someone who has experienced his own eternity cannot be scared by those words.
Eternity is not an idea. It is being….
Being in a different consciousness, a different intelligence.
The world of words and concepts are not the real thing, just like a name or label is not the “thing.”
Nevertheless, when we rely heavily in our minds, thoughts and ideas; the world of concepts, definitions and labels become our only “reality.”
That is the illusion.
To change our consciousness means to change our perception, our vision through a different set of values that is through appreciation and enjoyment of the moment, that is where happiness resides.
Many times we are caught up with the mental world of comparisons. Someone who “is” an engineer or a computer person ( His job is that) is in tune with logical variables such as “AND, OR, NOR” which this person has been trained to use through our educational system as comparisons: Higher than, lower than, better than, worse than, etc.
These are judgment values.
When there is judgment there cannot be “pure” appreciation.
In a different consciousness those values are limiting because life is not conceived only through the mind.
Life is an experience: invaluable, unique and instantaneous. There is no chance to compare unnecessarily. Life is not a “job” to use our comparison skills. 🙂
When a religious concept such as the “Golden age” or “Paradise” is explained through a comparative mind, then obviously the idea that “The Golden age or Paradise is better” and thus desirable than any other age will come up.
This “location” of consciousness is limited to an understanding based on learned educational values and that limitation will be expressed in the way that we choose to live our lives.
Something like : “Now is not the moment to enjoy life, but the Golden age will be the moment…” “This place is hellish… but when the Golden age comes things will be better…”
Let us hear the talk between Mathias and Ananda…
Ananda: Friend, I have another question. Does the Golden age or Paradise exist as something, which is “all good” as most may think about it, or it is a neutral state where duality does not exist?
Mathias: Should Mathias respond to the friend from before or to the friend from right now?
Ananda: Please respond to the friend of right now, not from before.
Mathias: Then, Mathias should say something or keep in silence?
Ananda: Well… please share with your style of giving clues… I am not looking for something like “The Golden age is this” but I am looking for clues to help in my discovery.
Mathias: That which you call the Golden age, or that you have a conceptual view of it; is a fascinating moment, my friend. To discover that which in essence is complete… that is fascinating! To discover that which in essence is incomplete, it is also fascinating when you have material to complete that, which is incomplete!
When you do not have the material to complete that, then what is fascinating is to know where to search … That process is called life, to live.
Some will resign themselves with their conditions and some will search for things, which do not fit into the jigsaw puzzle. The golden age is then, only an instant where you could understand the jigsaw puzzle in a complete state when all the pieces fit together but that is not more fascinating than to disperse all the pieces around…
Ananda: It is the same jigsaw puzzle after all!
Mathias: Different moments, but when a piece is missing and you forget that this piece is you, then what you find there is anguish.
Ananda: And that feeling of anguish could last many years, even centuries…
Mathias: It is part of the game… Game or not a game, it is only a game… 🙂
Religions are tools to reform the self.
Reform from what?
Reform from our consciousness of separation, to bring us back to the initial “togetherness.”
That “togetherness” is not only related with looking at each other as “brothers and sisters.” That is perhaps the most elementary way to look at oneness.
The “brother wolf,” and the “sister flower,” still convey separation. There are 2 distinct personalities there. The label of being a “family” is needed for this type of understanding because for a child, there is nothing better which is known to him, which will bring a sense of unity.
Every person, no matter how old they are has a child within. That child is the one who could understand “reformation,” for the “adult” in us “thinks” about self sufficiency. No one has the right to “reform” an adult. Nevertheless, if you find a father figure for the child within us, that child will be able to listen and hopefully change.
That is how God came into the picture. The Father. Nevertheless, a child matures. A child grows and with that, changes will inevitably happen. That is life and that is each one’s destiny. There is variety on that. That is why, it is very important to allow the child inside to explore, to play, to learn.
Learning is not always fun; but always beneficial.
Religions have taken this archetype as tools to reform the self. As the “spirit of the teachings” have been forgotten through time due to several reasons, then interpretations arrived and with those creative interpretations, different branches within the same ideology of the same religion.
The above is the story of all monotheistic religions.
However, there is more to it.
Interbeingness, inter-relationship is not easily grasped at the practical level. As a matter of fact, this “concept” is illogical, irrational… so those intellectuals looking for logic and rationality will be easily turned off.
For a child, the answer is always with the Father. A child cannot see that “the Father” is truly within as well. The Father and the son are not just different, but equal. Avyakt7 has a physical father. Avyakt7 can’t help but to notice how many of the characteristics of his physical father are within him due to having spent time together. It cannot be otherwise and of course, this is not just about the external looks.
Truly, being a son, is not related with having “the same blood.” That is the most external characteristic; however; this is the one that through time the world has believed in.
Just another belief.
Oneness is not concerned with labels as “brother” or “family.” Oneness is beyond those words. Oneness is not concerned with “helping your brother” when in this consciousness we can see that we are all integrated, not only separated by personalities and a physical body. In Oneness, we can see clearly that the answer is never one thing, but also the other thing that we left out.
For example, here is the “mental” exercise: 🙂
Is Avyakt7 a Christian? Not only a Christian but more than that.
Is Avyakt7 a BK? Not only a BK but more than that…
Ia Avyakt7 a Taoist, Zen Buddhist? Not only those, but more than that…
Avyakt7, is nothing and because of that, Avyakt7 belongs and accepts everything. Avyakt7 respects every faith. A label does not define Avyakt7 for Avyakt7 is more than a label.
This is to be experienced, not to be analyzed.
Is that logical? No.
Then, it could be “right.” 🙂
Any belief system separates. Thought and analysis separates. Concepts and “isms,” will separate.
Is Avyakt7 a philosopher? Yes, but he is more than that.
Is Avyakt7 an artist? Yes, but he is more than that.
Is Avyakt7 a scientist? Yes, but he is more than that.
Avyakt7 is none of that “only” and because of that. Avyakt7 is all of that.
Is that logical?
Then, it could be “right”… 🙂
Now the exercise is to apply this “logic” to yourself and see how many labels you think that you are, and due to that belief; you negate yourself the opportunity to be part of the world and not just a group.
Note: The above is not for intellectual analysis. Feel it. See the logic beyond logical words…
Enjoy your freedom from beliefs!
To remain undivided in life means to stop analyzing, dividing things, separating things with our minds.
That oneness is very simple. Nevertheless, that “oneness” as just an idea becomes an intellectual theory without insight. That “ intellectual oneness” has been marketed as another belief, another idea, another philosophy, another religion.
For any “learned individual” all is about gaining information. “Information is power,” they may say. In the spiritual realm, “information” is meaningless to experience a different realm of consciousness.
Without a “different” consciousness; our ability to see and experience becomes trapped in the setting of the “average guy.”
That is the guy surviving on TV; movies; his “own” business, the “news,” books, Cds, the internet, the latest research, the talk by Mr. politician; the class by Dr. Ph.D. ; M.D or the priest … That is the guy who only absorbs and “regurgitates” information he heard/read someplace; that person is there to “take from the outside and repeat it,” that is the person who is truly sleeping even though moving and breathing in the world; that sort of consciousness is easy to manipulate and “brain wash” with the “latest” information.
None of the above is “bad.” However, a person totally immersed in the above characteristics does not have inside him the “guts” to undergo a total change in personality.
Because that person is “sleeping.” That person does not have the capacity to look at himself and the things he does everyday automatically, without noticing. That person has no developed inner observation.
Please see that this is not a religious belief.
That person could be a great critic or commentator of “outside” reality. That person could write or talk with great ease, by using logic and reasoning…. But that person does not have the capacity to look inside; where there is no fluency in language or “powerful” writing that could help.
If someone asks me what is the single most important experience to start transforming the self; my answer without a doubt is the feeling of being alone.
This is the time when we could face ourselves as we truly are without any of the distractions that we are accustomed to.
Alone. By yourself. No family, No friends. No religious group to support you. Nothing.
That could be a good setting to start, if we can handle it.
If we survive the experience, then we will recognize what ego is all about at different levels. That “self” looking for different ways to survive or to live through others; looking to please others just to be accepted. That ego/sense of self begging for some sort of company to be busy with; something or someone to posses, something to call “ours,” something to fill the void, the empty sensation of existing with nothing permanent, but worries about ceasing to exist.
Here is when the “I” will look for certainty, for security in the afterlife, with God; “His protection” with a religious group; with someone as long as that pain of inner emptiness is mitigated.
A hopeless day yells
for a bright sunny sky,
this loneliness is dry
turning my heaven into hell
After that hell; the light… then the discovery that no one is ever alone appears in the experience of your own company. Then, a bright sunny sky comes in your life despite the ups and downs of the weather of life.
Everything was just a bunch of thoughts, and those moments of feeling loneliness only brought the key to experience the inner self.
Many throw that key away as soon as possible. Few, will use that key to open the door into themselves.
That is where everything starts. 🙂