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Reader comment on “churning: of “Mama’s murli 8-17-12”

Note that the experience of the “dot” is not explained there but in the Avyakt Murlis, which is Brahma Baba again in a different stage.

Reader’s note:
i remember Baba mentioning, “Remember me in Paramdham as a point of light.” And Brhma Baba’s favourite point was to be – nirakari /incorporeal, egoless and viceless.

Avyakt7 responds:
In my experience what has helped me from “imagining” things is what BapDada mentioned here:
That is what I meant by the explanation of the point.

Note Mama’s explanation of God as a “living being.” It is mentioned:” Living means God also has a mind an intellect.”

Reader’s note:
May be this used to be her belief before Baba explained clearly about Him being Abhokta, Akarta, and Ashochta.

Avyakt7 reponds:
That is right. This is the proof that gyan is an on-going discovery.

Note that all religious founders took a body but stayed in the Drama by reincarnating. It seems that God has the ability to “come and go” as He wishes into the physical realm without being bound by the Drama to stay in the physical world. Gyan show us that when a soul takes a body, that soul must stay until the cycle finishes.

Reader’s note:
Brother, please leave these points about which we do not have any authority to say. God being unique, He will not take a physical birth. When a soul (not the Supreme Soul) takes up another souls’ body and functions through that, he still can not experience the ‘pain’ of the original owner of that body. That soul would have some power to use the rented body but can not experience everything. If that is the case with a soul, the capacity/ and functioning of the Supreme Soul could be much more different.
Why put thoughts in others’ minds, the thoughts which we have no proof for? It may lead some souls into doubting even other points in the murali. Some souls may lose respect for muralis too and ultimately leave gyan. This is creating a negative karma.

Avyakt7 responds:
Dear soul, when we churn knowledge, we need to be open to possibilities. To churn to support a particular belief system is not churning. “Gyan is an on-going discovery,” it is not finished yet. I am not giving “proof,” I am churning based on Murli points and someone else’s churning.
Please be aware that there are many websites already, where souls can go if they want to leave gyan and need support for that. This one is meant to churn gyan. I feel that to support “obscurity” when knowing truth, leads to negative karma rather than to inquire and discover things by churning gyan in an honest way.

In today’s Murli (8-18-12) Baba responded to your concern: “His part is unique. Completely different from anyone else’s.” (Mentioned in today’s Sakar Murli comment.) That is the magic of the Murli and the response was immediate. No further “proof” needed.

Request: Could you share Mama’s Murli excerpt from today’s Murli?

Magically, my request from yesterday was answered! Although with “Mama’s murli, ” included in today’s Sakar Murli.

I heard the Murli and would like to go into “Mama’s versions,” in depth. If anyone is willing to share those particular paragraphs. please send them to me via the “questions” tab in this blog.
Thank you!

Avyakt Murli 6-24-12 / Special versions of Mama

Versions from Mama

(original 2-19-57.)
Today we had 2 special Murlis.
The first one was Mama’s Murli. It is a refreshing Murli where she is showing us “how to churn points of knowledge.” The other one is BapDada’s avyakt.
Notice that Mama does not repeat what Baba says in the Sakar Murlis, but she gives an extra step and goes a bit deeper in concepts such as liberation vs liberation in life, karma and bondage, creation, etc.
Notice that translation could be an issue as well to understand some of the points fully, but experience of what she is saying (having experienced the points itself) will take us in the right path of understanding.
Mama also adds her own experience on those points of gyan, in that way; those points become alive, because she is conveying her own experience. Similarly, other souls could relate with it as long as there is experience of the points in their personal lives. Otherwise it becomes a “parrot business.”
Let me add some thoughts on the points in Mama’s Murli. We should be aware that Gyan is “dynamic.” It is not something that remains the same from 1950s to now. Never. There are many points that Mama didn’t know which we know now. Therefore, those points make an additional “plus” in our churnings.

1)Liberation and Liberation in life:
Mama emphasizes the labels of “status” and “stage.” There is the stage of liberation and the status of liberation in life. Everyone experiences the stage of liberation. According to Mama’s churnings “that is our reward in the Golden age which is achieved by making effort in this birth.” Mama defines liberation in life as “being free from karmic bondage while being an actor with a body.”
Let us add some additional information to that: Is Brahma Baba an actor now? 🙂 Here is when things become complex when we use boxy, square “definitions” in our understanding of gyan.
So the answer could be “Yes.”/”No.” Is Brahma Baba free from karmic accounts now?
That knowledge of the subtle region/subtle body is not included. I will not give my answers here, but just will happily go away “planting my seed.” 😉
Now, we also know that every soul will experience a “bondage free” stage even if for a brief time. Let us go back to the Sakar Murli on April 20th of this year, when it is mentioned that “everyone experiences liberation and liberation in life.” What makes a difference on a BK soul is that a BK soul degrades slowly, thus; experiences the “status” of liberation in life longer than any other soul. This concept ties up with the concept of Numberwise. (Please see “point in depth” about this concept, numberwise = entropy.)

2) The world begins with Brahma and Saraswatti.
Interesting view point, to agree with other religions like Christianity about the first man/woman, etc. However, going deeper into this point, We live in a cycle which has existed for eternity. No one has created this Drama nor any actor in it. WHY? Because we are eternal souls just like God. We have the same qualities just like God. The difference is that we do not know, we have forgotten our qualities and God is there to remind us at this time at the end of the Drama. That is why, Baba is the” egoless benefactor:” He is not showing us who HE is. He is showing us in many ways…who we are…. See the difference? Bhakti traps us into the “how wonderful God is and look at me, I am not that.” God is wonderful. So are we.
Going back to the point of “creation.” It is just a point of reference. For BK souls, God creates Brahma and Saraswatti at the confluence age. For Christian souls, there was a “creation” out of nothing where God creates Adam. Paradoxically, we can understand the “creation” of a virtuous human being happened at the confluence age, but at the same time; it is a soul playing a different role according to time. Therefore, there was no creation…but there is .. 🙂

3) Receiving Knowledge is a matter of a second.
Here Mama demonstrates her experience in gyan. We do not truly receive knowledge until we understand it. That Aha!! moment comes in a second. To get there may many years though. (or not that many…) That is the Paradox. Our practical lives should match our understanding of knowledge. That happens when the Aha! moment arrives in our lives.
Theoretical knowledge is “parrot” gyan.

4) Godly Knowledge: Not our own dictates.
Mama stresses understanding first before yoga. Knowledge first before yoga. What we understand is what we have made practical in our lives.
This is a tricky point, for in every religion there is an amount of knowledge even though is not the whole package. What matters in imbibing that little knowledge to become virtuous.
The BK religion/clan has knowledge but also the “practical aspect” to make imbibing easier beyond intellectual understanding of “concepts.” That is through yoga. Other religions do not have this practice for their knowledge of sanskars is not the same as ours. To be able to practice this yoga with purpose; we need to have gyan, first. Yoga is meant to transform our sanskaras. That is the goal.

5) The result of knowledge is to break away and to connect.
🙂 Mama is using a Paradox! We may want to consider that things are not really that abrupt as those words “break away” and “Connect” mean. It is not about “Breaking away from everyone so we can connect with God.” We connect with God and that connection makes our connection with others at a different level (service.) This is not a matter of “choosing” but a matter of “flowing.” We can work on our connection with God first, rather than choosing to break away first. As a matter of fact, it happens at the same time… 🙂 but if we purposely choose to “break away,” ego will step in and make a “natural” process into an “ugly” battle.
I like Mama’s point:” actions should be performed in a stage where there is no bondage of karma. Otherwise human beings get caught in sorrow and happiness, because their actions pull them.”
Mama is speaking with experience here. She is talking about duality. Any type of action with a desire behind it will give us the experience of duality (happiness and sorrow.)
Mama uses the term to “have control” of our actions rather than them pulling us. We can see that our “own” fabricated desires are the masters. Those determine our experiences of sorrow and happiness.
Therefore, to have “control” means not to have desires. Here is the Paradox: “We control without having the desire to control.” That control has no desire to control. That is “real” control.

Avaykt Murli
Original (1-23-75)
Those who perform every action while seated on their seat of self respect are great.

This is another jewel to churn. Basically, in a nutshell because we forget the “status” which Baba has given us (all the titles, such as master authority, ancestor souls, etc.) and we get trapped into temporary “status” (work titles, role titles, etc.) we repeat the same mistakes over and over because we come down from the “big title” which BapDada has given us.
If we were aware all the time of that “big title” we wouldn’t repeat mistakes (fluctuation, weaknesses.) We should replace the other temporary titles with our awaken awareness. Baba mentioned, that “awareness is everything.”