om shanti dear brother.i here want to share some of my recent experiences and also want ur reamarkable suggestions.through yoga i feel myself as an entity completely different from matter means my body.the feeling was that our substances are different.the visualisation of the soul is different neccessarily from what the eyes can see.from that soul consciousness everything related to matter seems to be transparent as the soul has no boundary.it is simply free where it stays.then as i can not recognise how i am related to the body then i feel that my energy is scattered through all the body for which i feel the sense of each part of my body.thus i feel a subtleness a different world inside.in that subtleness it seems to me that i become more sensitive to energy field of others and also beyond everything whatever they causes good or bad.so the gross material world becomes like only the outward covering in the depth of which a subtle and sensitive world flows.in that way i feel my material role i am performing is only an image i am carring what i am really not.you know brother for this i feel certain fear as i can not simply recognise myself what i am truly because both conciousness are very present.i know the gyan and fully believe all this baba says.i also know the fear of losing myself is being caused by my ego and attachment to this material world.where to stay brother,in that subtle world or material world of playing role as both are neccessary.is it the way to karmateet stage?how can i continue to keep that stage of soulconciousness always.i want to go to experience that subtle world more and more but i fear of losing of what i dont know i cant realise how to tackle with the world where all the people are material minded. thank u brother in advance.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I know of some souls are experiencing the same.
It comes a point where someone may be so “intoxicated” in the subtle, astral experiences that losing a hold on the physical world becomes a reality. Some may even feel trapped in the physical realm and experiencing things which are physical in nature, out there in the subtle.
Fear is the only enemy. You are an immortal being experiencing different things. In your experience that is your “reality,” and that is good for now. This is something that I would like for all BKs to understand: “for now.” It will change, it needs to change, therefore; a selection or picking this over the other is to place yourself in suffering.
Become conscious, full conscious of the physical reality, perform your duties as assigned to that role without fear.
Fear is an emotion and that emotion is a “roller coaster.” It will make you feel safe and secure, but also the opposite. Watch your own fear.
At the same time, when your consciousness is taken into the subtle experiences, rejoice… do not select this one over the other.
To be a teenager is one of the most difficult times in our lives. You are not an adult yet, neither a child. You are in between.. but that will change. In the meantime, acknowledge your experiences without wanting to be a child nor an adult. Enjoy that sensation for it will change.
We cannot have fear of the unknown, but only of losing what is known…which is temporary but yet eternal…
Yes, you are a soul but you are conscious because of a body. To deny one and embrace the other is called duality.
This post is in relation to this note:
” Just a few days before Avyakt 7 was saying there is no time, no space in Incorporeal world.
(I was saying that there is no time However the space is there)
And today Baba is also saying in this murli (Sakar murali 4th Dec 2012 ) “Souls would definitely reside in a space.”
Pl note. Not for proving the point but for correcting the error.”
The following is an excerpt from the Sakar Murli on December 4th, 2012.
“For instance, there is the sky. It is not a physical object. It is just space. It still has a name-sky. It is a very subtle element. OK, deities reside even beyond that. That too is a space. They are sitting beyond the sky. Beyond that is another sky. That too is a place for souls to sit. That sky is called the brahm element. There are the three elements: Corporeal, subtle and incorporeal. Souls would definitely reside in a space. Therefore, there are three skies. The play takes place in this sky and so light is needed. There is not a play in the incorporeal world. That is called the element of brahm. Souls reside there. That is the highest of all. There are three worlds, that is, three storeys of the world.”
In this paragraph we can infer that Baba is explaining about the Brahm element and the Subtle region to the children. “ There is the sky, and then another sky were deities live which is a subtle sky (subtle region.) Beyond that subtle sky, there is another “sky” (space) where souls “sit.” That is called the “Brahm” element.
Then Baba mentions that “souls will definitely reside in a space.” (Read, In a “sky.”)
In this explanation we can perceive that souls could reside in anyone of the 3 “skies” or spaces.
Baba is using comparisons existing in the corporeal, physical world to explain the subtle region and the Brahm element to the “children.” Baba is just using the word “space” to be interchangeable with “sky” to make his explanation.
Is the above explanation accurate in explaining that there is “space” in the soul world?
Not necessarily. If we go by the definition of “space,” in Wikipedia:
“Space is the boundless, three-dimensional extent in which objects and events occur and have relative position and direction. Physical space is often conceived in three linear dimensions, although modern physicists usually consider it, with time, to be part of a boundless four-dimensionalcontinuum known as spacetime.”
Note that Baba is using the term “space” which is used in the physical world to explain something which is “non-physical.”
If there is “no time” can we have space as we know it? In other words can we put “a soul in top of another soul” or can we say that the “soul world is crowded with souls.” No, we cannot.
In that “realm” as well as the subtle world, there is no sense of space as we know it in the physical world.
That is why when we “see” a ghost. Is that ghost occupying a “space”? If so which of the “3 skies” is the ghost occupying? 🙂
That is why in a “different” view, we can see that those 3 separate “skies” or spaces can be interrelated and again its “space” is just a perception.
A soul “residing” in the middle of the forehead, is not really occupying “space,” for no one will be able to find it. So where is it? It could be in any of those 3 “spaces” according to our perception, but at the same time, in none of them… but is there. 🙂
“Space” only exists in the perception of physical objects, the physical world, according to the above definition from Wikipedia.
The issue, is in the subtle region, where there is no existence of time, but there is movement.
For instance, we “see” Brahma Baba in scene “1.” In scene “2,” Brahma Baba extends his arm to bless us.” From scene 1 to scene 2, we call that as “time” from the perspective of the physical world; however, from the avyakt perspective the succession of “scene 1” and “scene 2” is not time, but could be called “space,” for lack of a better name.
This is just to demonstrate the issues with language in interpreting labels from the physical perspective and at the same time not having enough labels to represent a spiritual reality, for language is made under the consciousness of the physical dimension.
That is the challenge when explaining spirituality.