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Comments on Sakar Murli 5-25-12

Essence: Sweet children, become pure by following shrimat and you will be liberated from the punishment of Dharamraj.
In order to become like a diamond, drink the nectar of knowledge and renounce poison.

Question: On what is a golden-aged status based?
Answer: It is based on purity. Stay in remembrance and definitely become pure. Only by becoming pure will you receive salvation.
Those who don’t become pure experience punishment and return to their own religion. You may live at home with your family,
but do not remember any bodily beings. Remain pure and you will claim a high status.

Song: Having found You, we have found everything. The earth and sky all belong to us.

Essence for dharna
1. Settle all your sinful accounts with the power of yoga, purify and cleanse the soul and make the atmosphere peaceful.

2. Follow the Father’s shrimat and promise to become completely pure. Do not be influenced by vices and thereby become
an obstacle in the creation of heaven.

Blessing: May you be unshakeable, immovable and a conqueror of matter by remaining seated on the unshakeable seat of a
detached observer.

Whether matter creates upheaval or shows her beautiful games, souls who are the masters of matter will observe the games as
a detached observer in both situations. You enjoy watching games and are not afraid. Those who practise remaining seated on
the unshakeable seat of the stage of a detached observer through tapasya cannot be shaken by any situation created by matter
or people. The five players of matter and the five players of Maya are playing their games and you just have to watch as a
detached observer. Only then will you be said to be a soul who is unshakeable, immovable and a conqueror of matter.

Slogan: Only those who concentrate their minds and intellects on the one Father can become worthy of worship souls.

This Murli main point is "celibacy." See that I am not saying "purity" for "purity" is beyond physical celibacy.
Baba stresses celibacy as the main aspect of gyan for the children. Celibacy is that important that our "status" depends on it.
This is also a good time to stress "punishment" for not "obeying God’s rules."
This is a good explanation for a "child like understanding." Fear based gyan is just a tool to explain to a child mentality.

Have you ever questioned why do we need to follow celibacy in the BK path? We can assume that in the Golden age there isn’t "intercourse" (what we know now as a "sexual relation.") But that is an assumption. Baba says that children are born through the "power of yoga." Baba does not explain the "how." Therefore, any assumption that we follow celibacy now because in the Golden age we will not reproduce through intercourse, is just an assumption, not supported by gyan. On the same token even though, the sanskara of living as a couple is a Golden age sanskara (fact, because gyan says so) BKs are not encouraged to find/have a companion unless they "met Baba being a couple." Thereby, we see that things do not match. Why is that?

The aim of celibacy now is simply to ‘awaken’ spirituality in us without any interference from things which have the power to pull us away from spirituality. Most BKs have come to gyan very tamopradhan. How are we going to awaken? Granted, you had your experience with Baba or with Dadi or some kind of experience, but that will not awaken you. That is just a "carrot" that will "intoxicate" the donkey inside.

Celibacy along with following the Maryadas on a regular basis will "awaken" your sensibility to spirituality. Will get you in tune so the physical attractions will not have the same pull to you.
This is very important because, "dharamraj" is just the experience of not being able to be soul conscious when we need it, that is when we "leave" our bodies. At that moment, without soul consciousness we will suffer.
This is a grown up realization, without bringing the "monster" Dharamraj that will punish you for ever because you performed a "predestined" part. For a grown up that is "spiritual masochism."

When we "grow up" in spirituality, we do not fight internally: the good vs. the evil. We embrace things as they are and practice what the blessing mentioned today: Detachment."You enjoy watching games and are not afraid. Those who practice remaining seated on the unshakeable seat of the stage of a detached observer through tapasya cannot be shaken by any situation created by matter or people. Similarly the "ravan" inside and the "angel" are part of the show. Embrace both and have your "aim and objective" clear, and if you flow with the Drama you’ll do things "according to time." That means you will be unlimited.

Finally, this statement in the Q/A: "Those who don’t become pure experience punishment and return to their own religion." Will need to be "revised." If someone "returns to their own religion" what is the issue? That is where that soul belongs. Are we saying that to return to your own religion is punishment? That is senseless and it sounds as if we are trying to show "superiority" to other religions.
That "inquisitional" (from the inquisition) fear based, "I love Baba and I do what Baba says otherwise i will get punished" message is not conducive to spirituality.

Comments on Sakar Murli 5-19-12

Essence: Sweet children, the Father has come to fulfil all your pure desires. Ravan fulfils your impure desires
and the Father fulfils your pure desires.

Question: What will be the final state of those who disobey the Father’s shrimat?
Answer: Those who disobey shrimat will be taken home by the evil spirits of Maya to the sounds of
“Rama is with you!” There will then be very severe punishment. Anyone who doesn’t follow shrimat dies.
Dharamraj will take the full account. This is why the Father gives you children very good directions:
Children, beware of the wrong directions of Maya! It shouldn’t be that you belong to the Father and then
perform sinful actions, for there would then have to be one hundred-fold punishment. Not to follow
shrimat and to stop studying is to have bad wishes for yourself and to not have mercy for yourself.

Song: Salutations to Shiva.

Essence for dharna:
1. Serve the yagya with a lot of love, follow shrimat at every step and claim from the Father the fruit
you want, which means the kingdom of the world.
2. Destruction has to take place. So, use everything you have in a worthwhile way. If you have money,
open a centre and become an instrument to benefit many.

Blessing: May you be one with elevated fortune by putting a stop to the strong flow of waste thoughts
in a second and making your stage free from all other thoughts.

After you have made a mistake, do not waste your time in thinking about “Why? What? How?
Not like this…” The more time you spend in being an embodiment of those thoughts, the more you
are reinforcing those stains on yourself. The time of a test paper is short, but the sanskar of waste
thoughts increases the time of that test paper. Therefore, put a stop in a second to the strong flow
of waste thoughts with the power of transformation and your stage will become free from waste thoughts.
When this sanskar emerges, you will be said to be a fortunate soul.

Slogan: Become full of the treasure of happiness and all other treasures will automatically come to you.

Another of those "scary" Murlis. Please do not take this as being "disrespectful" for it is not. Let me explain.
Baba is emphasizing that once we get to know God, we should continue in the path and not deviate from it for otherwise there will be "severe punishment." Nevertheless, the "Drama is predestined." Nevertheless, we ask God for everything that we need and "He fulfills our "pure" desires, while Ravan fulfills our "impure" desires. Why not ask God to be "forgiven"? Is that "impure"? After all, we have “done” so much stuff for so many births without “knowing” and all of the sudden we have to “shape up” in just one birth…Isn’t this “reasonable”? 🙂

The way this Murli is explained is for a childish audience/understanding.
There is God, the hero, the "good guy" and there is Ravan (Satan) the "bad guy." The fight is between the good vs. the bad. The "children" have good and bad sanskaras. Baba says: Good "must prevail," "always do good," (even though life does not present such a clear cut black or white moral decision.) It is a simple teaching but in that simplicity there is a lot of depth lacking unless we churn it deeper.

Children "eat your broccoli for otherwise, the cookie monster, Dharamraj will get ya. You will be punished tremendously, while listening to the song "You met God but you didn’t obey Him, even though what you did was "predestined" to happen for not everyone can be a King, you now will be punished for eternity…" 😦 and just to make things a bit more difficult, "Only 8 will pass with honors, the rest will suffer punishment for ever and ever. There is no escape. Not even God can liberate you from this desire." SO, YOU BETTER BE GOOD. 🙂

NOW, how do i look at the same Murli from a more "grown up" perspective?
There is a consequence for all of our actions. Although the Drama is beneficial for all, many times we could save ourselves from experiencing suffering if we just continue following Baba’s directions. Some children will learn out of an experience. Some others do not need that experience to learn. An experience could be considered as "using up precious time" but at the same time, it is necessary for some souls to grow. Growth hurts. But it doesn’t have to if you have good yoga. Many times it is not about selecting yoga OR suffering, both are needed in our lives. We shouldn’t choose, we need to accept both and use both in our lives.

Now, this is the difference on understanding gyan "literally," the popular "Baba says." and by churning based on the "authority of experience" while following this path.

The essence for Dharna had an addition that I didn’t hear in the Murli: "Serve the yagya with a lot of love." Like I said before, the yagya is not an institution but is made up of all of us Brahmin souls who are "dying alive" from Ego. We don’t serve the Yagya. We are the Yagya.

I would like to say to whoever is adding those things to the Murli, to please stop doing that. Just limit yourself to give the essence of Dharna based on the Murli of the day. Thank you.

I liked the blessing very much. Ego means to live in the past. Whenever we recall something that has happened we can ask a million questions which deepen our troubles. It creates unnecessary thoughts that will bring sorrow. The root of those wasteful thoughts are our own desires. We want to change situations, we dream about different outcomes etc. All of that is waste which comes from our desires to not accept what has happened even if it was our own "mistake." Forget the past and live the present. There are no "mistakes" in this Drama. Everything that is happening is necessary. We just do not "do" things. We let them happen.

Comments on Sakar murli 5-18-12

Essence: Sweet children, you should have love for the soul. While walking and moving along, practise: “I am a soul.
I am talking to a soul. I mustn’t do anything bad.”

Question: Which of the Father’s orders must Brahmins definitely follow for as long as the sacrificial fire created
by the Father continues?
Answer: The Father’s order is: Children, for as long as this sacrificial fire continues, you definitely have to remain pure.
You Brahma Kumars and Kumaris who are the children of Brahma must never indulge in vice. Anyone who disobeys
this order incurs severe punishment. When someone even has the evil spirit of anger, he is not a Brahmin.
Brahmins have to remain soul conscious and never become influenced by vices.

Song: O Traveller from the faraway land.

Essence for dharna:
1. After becoming a Brahmin who belongs to the sacrificial fire of the knowledge of Rudra, don’t perform any
actions that would make your conscience bite. Never become influenced by any evil spirit.

2. In order to become a complete helper of the Purifier Father, remain constantly pure and cheerful.
Churn knowledge and continue to smile.

Blessing: May you be an embodiment of experience and experience every power and virtue through making elevated effort.

The greatest authority is experience. Just as you think and say that the soul is an embodiment of peace and an embodiment
of happiness, in the same way, experience every virtue and every power and become lost in those experiences.
When you speak of an embodiment of peace, you yourself and others should then experience that peace in your form.
You speak of powers but those powers and virtues should be experienced at the right time.
To become an embodiment of experience is a sign of elevated effort. Therefore, increase your experiences.

Slogan: Become a contented soul on the basis of the experience of being full and then no name or trace of a lack of any
attainment will remain.


This Murli’s value is that it emphasizes spirituality 101. "I am a soul." However, as the blessing and slogan mentioned, it is all about being the "authority of experience."
It will not help too much if I practice with my mind "I am a soul" without the experience of it. "“I am a soul.
I am talking to a soul. I mustn’t do anything bad.” It is a too simplistic statement when we want to go in depth. If soul conscious, you cannot do "anything bad" for we will be flowing with the Drama. When we are not in soul consciosuness and pretend to be soul conscious, then we will do "bad things" for Ego takes over. How do I experience soul consciosuness? Find out for yourself. Meditation is a good start, but the aim is not to "feel the soul" but to enjoy the experience. Meditation is an experience and that experience is never the same. If we go into it with a goal, a perceived destiny, we will be dissapointed when we do not feel/find what we expected. We need to be relaxed "attention and not tension," as Baba says.

Baba in this Murli also gave his ultimatum about sex-lust. "if you disobey this order, you will be a cremator." Then we can think, what is wrong with being a cremator in the Golden age? I thought that was Paradise, heaven. 🙂 there is no suffering there.
That is why, we must get out of the childish interpretation of the Murli. Effort is not being made for a status. To "receive lots of punishment" that type of fear is not needed by someone who is honestly finding the self. Those "tricks" are good for children’s intellect. Good to make a point that "purity" is needed in this journey, but to send someone who have fallen from the "5th floor" into that hell of guilt, is not "soul conscious, " nor compassionate. "You will be unworthy, You will divorce the father. Your status will be destroyed, You will be heavily punished, you will be an unworthy shudra," etc, etc.
Please see this.

"God is the creator of Paradise," some say. "God is the one who makes our destiny" others say.
If you tell them: "That is wrong, because God does not create anything, that is not what God does according to "pure gyan,’ then these BKs will get upset. They will be "complaining about you" for writing heresy. Their devotion is being challenged. Please let us grow up. This is the path of knowledge.

An example: if God creates paradise, then he creates hell as well because hell is nothing else but a degraded paradise. Who created Ravan? Obviously it has to be God as well. Who creates your destiny? If God does it, then you are just a puppet of destiny… and then in top of that, "you will be punished every cycle for the wrongs you commit." Please grow up.
Gyan as interpreted with that childish view, does not, and will not allow us to discover the self and to be a “master of the self.” Gyan as it is interpreted will only make a dependant child.

Please do some "service," if you are reading this and send it to all your BKs contacts. If anyone thinks or feel that "this is wrong" I will be more than happy to exchange with you, just tell me why… 🙂

Finally, "You must smile, you must be happy." "You must be like so and so who smiles when he hears the word ‘baba.’"
Happiness does not depend on anyone. If it is dependent on someone or for a reason, that is not "true," "pure" happiness. It is just a learned behavior, "I say baba and you smile."

There is no ultimatum that is going to make someone happy. Happiness arises like a flower from a seed once the spiritual work has been made and there is acceptance and easiness. It is a natural consequence. Happiness is a natural state of the soul.

No one makes me happy. I am happiness.

Topics with Depth:No one is guilty therefore, there is no punishment

“Only 8 will pass with honors. The rest experience punishment.”
“A predestined role is playing in every soul.”

3. No one is guilty. There is no punishment.

Let us put together powerful concepts of gyan: Predestination, numberwise and “eternally repeating cycle.”
If we just meditate on those 3 concepts, we will see that there could not possibly be “punishment” as when performing a “bad action.” It is merely a consequence which a soul has the capacity to withstand. After all we are still here… 😉
There cannot be punishment for performing a predestined role, predestined part. Predestination is beneficial for it “free us” from guilt and fear.
If everyone was celibate, the souls from “up above” wouldn’t be able to experience life at this time. Therefore, it is “good” to have non-celibate beings around. Why would they get “punishment” for? There is settlement, consequences but those are not “bad.” They are just necessary for the Drama to continue.

Obviously the consequence of a particular activity will be experienced. What we loosely call “good karma and bad karma,” nevertheless everything is “good” in the Drama. Everyone gets “liberation and liberation in life” no matter what everyone does.
Where is that punishment then? It is time to realize and get rid of fear based words. That can only happen when the “child” grows up, otherwise; Daddy will treat a child …like a child. Punishment is needed, then.
To feel guilt is “auto punishment.” You will get the consequence of it whether you feel guilty or not, then; why feel guilty? It will not help. It is useless. Better get ready to face the consequences. That is a more mature behavior.
Guilt is for little children, but sometimes grown-ups can behave like them.