Om shanti dear divine brother.
Thanks for churning gyan in a different way and sharing it with us. Brother, i have some questions and some (different) perceptions which i would like to share ….
1.( “What is interesting is that something that doesn’t have mass makes up something “bigger” that has mass.
Mathias: Something that doesn’t have locality makes up something that has ubication….
Ananda: Yes!” )
Brother, the mass of an electron is almost negligible but what ‘creates’ the mass of an atom is the mass of protons and neutrons which form the nucleus of the atom. On a C-12 scale which measures the mass of an atom, the weight of a proton and and the weight of a neutron are approximately 1; and that of an electron is 1/1836.
So, based on the atomic number (number of protons+ number of neutrons) of an atom, the total weight / mass of an atom is calculated. So, though the electrons are ‘weightless’ and circle round the nucleus in the atom, and do not have a fixed location, the atom does have a fixed location and has a fixed mass. So, when they (atoms) come together, they can create huge objects which have considerable mass, and occupy space.
2. Brother, please check this sentence –
(“Human beings nowadays are in a distinct level of consciousness. In that “perception” there is a location and ubication.”)
Did you mean to say, ” In that consciousness they perceive a location and ubication’? (instead of, “In that perception there is a location and ubication.”)
3. In my simple understanding – the entire corporeal world is constantly changing according to the law of entropy. Our thought energies also influence them no matter how far away they may be located. As we transform ourselves by the end of each kalpa, they too get transformed. And we see the stars, moon etc. in the same location in stayug (every kalpa) and in the same location where they ‘existed’ in kaliyug every kalpa.
Please correct me if these thoughts are not accurate.
Thank you for your good questions!
On questions number 1, by all scientific experiments and what not, you are right! Electrons do have mass. BUT, how can you explain that they can be in two different places at the same time? Mass means a single location (in my understanding) but I could be wrong. However, as your probably noticed Mathias changed the wording and said: “Something that doesn’t have locality makes up something that has ubication….”
By doing that, the issue of having mass or not having mass does not become the problem, but to explain how is it possible for things to be at different places at the same time. (No locality for the microscopic elements but there is a “clear” locality, ubication for a greater item which those smaller items make up.)
Let me add that your numbers for weight of the microscopic elements could vary depending on the theory in fashion. However, it looks “impressive” to know such numbers.
Sir Roger Penrose is one of the most publicized physicists from the UK. It appears to me that he has the “freedom” to be able to think in an “unorthodox” way and still being listened to. Other scientists may not enjoy such privilege. Here is an article about the location issue of the electrons. http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jun/cover#.UPnAKCdEEsI
On question #2, either way is fine. Consciousness gives you a particular perception, or location and ubication. A perception gives you a particular ubication and location. The meaning is that what we perceive is largely in part through the roles that we play. That perception is usually a “collective thinking” type of role, which will change in time according to the Drama.
On question #3, we “think that we transform.” Everything transforms without “our” thinking, but our thinking happens at the time when things transform… 🙂 It is a unity. I can’t think how our thinking can bring stars back to the same position they were in 5000 years… but it does not mean that it couldn’t happen. What I can clearly see is that our perception on how stars “move” in space is flawed, but “right” according to the Drama.
Here is a good article to read if interested in the intricacies of quantum mechanics.. https://www.bigquestionsonline.com/content/does-quantum-physics-make-it-easier-believe-god
Thank you for your question!
My answer to your good question is in this article: http://wp.me/p2fovd-1bj
As you can see our beliefs are according to a role according to time. I respect everyone else’s opinion. As I mentioned before: ” I do not preach truth, I merely share my experiences and understanding.”
I feel that what is important for a spiritual being is to experience that which we think we are. It doesn’t matter the name we use or the “materials” that make it up. I can use very wonderful names, very scientific names to describe anything. That is not the point.
The point ts to feel “the point” so when we experience, we know the answers.
One of the greatest things about Quantum physics is the “fact,” that is able to put classical physics’ concepts into a different light.
Consider this: According to Quantum physics a world of “probabilities” is all that exists which changes the very first moment something is measured or observed. Also, being a particle or a wave is such another possibility. Moreover, a particle/wave could have an unknown location or be in 2 different places at the same time (http://www.nytimes.com/1996/05/28/science/physicists-put-atom-in-2-places-at-once.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm )
What we do not hear that much is that this tiny world of atoms and particles/waves is what composes a tiny cell which in turn makes up a larger human being.
Therefore, how is it possible to assert that we are made up of matter, with all the laws which have been figured out by classical physics, when in fact; our composition is nothing like “matter”?
Any scientist who is able to answer that riddle? 🙂 I would love to hear a “scientific proven” answer on this.
Now, just imagine a world made up of things which are really “illusions,” things which we believe to be “real” because our physical senses dictate so. Because our consciousness is attached to this world, we believe that to exist.
If scientists find out that those tiny particles /waves do not move randomly (as they think) but that there is a “plan” which expresses through the simple knowledge of : “ A seed becomes a tree just so the tree dies to turn into a seed.” If scientists could explain the “illusions” of the real world through their mathematical equations (which represent “reality”) to convey the meaning of a dynamical world which follows an eternal pattern of self-preservation; then; we will be able to say that science is finally catching up with Spirituality, for those realms which science is unable to understand; are already “tangible” for awakened beings, who are explaining that reality using a less convoluted and obscure language.
“There is no matter as such…. “ Words from the father of Quantum physics.
As the comedian Billy Hicks said about the world of “reality” : “Don’t worry, it is just a ride.”
Thank you for your great question!
Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to get the youtube links in your question. Fortunately, while in Peru, Baba gave a public talk through me on “Quantum physics and Consciousness,” so I can understand the term “hologram” based upon the talks of Gregg Braden. Here is the link of one of them:
Yes, you are right. We can say that everything is “false” however, “right” for we perceive that “illusion” (Maya.) We can only see what our eyes are able to see. We call that “reality,” when in fact is not. Likewise, scientists measure the world and have experiments which are based upon the way our senses work. That is the reality of the senses, which we know that are based on a “role.” In this video, Gregg Braden explains about “collective consciousness,” on how a “new vision” by someone, is able to affect the way others perceive “reality.” This goes hand in hand with the explanation of the Drama. Things happen in the Drama according to time.
Interesting to note the words of Max Plack- the father of “Quantum physics:”
“I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.”
As quoted in The Observer (25 January 1931)
“As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.”
Das Wesen der Materie [The Nature of Matter], speech at Florence, Italy (1944) (from Archiv zur Geschichte der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft, Abt. Va, Rep. 11 Planck, Nr. 1797)
The above is “proof” of our lack of knowledge about “reality.” Fortunately, Baba is training us to see the “complete package” rather than being stuck in the physical world.
Thank you for your great question!
Quantum physics is bringing a different perspective to understand Baba’s knowledge (will write more about it in the future.)
The point “the soul has its part recorded in it” It is a deep point as long as we do not take that literally. Nothing has been recorded and certainly there has never been a time when someone “recorded” a part in the soul.
The understanding of paradoxes and the quantum mechanics concepts of “being /non-being” (which has existed in Taoist thought before) allow us to understand that we are sort of “multidimensional beings.” There is no single place where we “are,” but paradoxically we “are” located where our consciousness is located.
In other words, we can “be” in the physical world, in the soul world and in the subtle region at the same “time” (from the perspective of the physical world, for in the subtle region and in the soul world there is no time ) and the “movie unfolding” is not really “us” but we experience it that way for our consciousness is stuck in that illusion which paradoxically is “real” to us. Most feel the “movie” to be them.
Moreover, the question of “where are we?” is not really a fair question, for location only exists in the physical realm and not in the other two (soul world, subtle region) however, we want an answer based on the physical “reality.”
That is the problem with science and classical physics in trying to understand spirituality. The scientific vision is stuck in the physical world thus, it will be unable to understand non-physical dimensions. That was until Quantum mechanics appeared and from that point, we could easily dismantle any scientific “truth” about anything considered “real.”
The video below explains this. How can we explain the world of 3 dimensions to a person whose consciousness is stuck in only 2 dimensions? Is the person fully conscious of 3 dimensions “really” living in the third dimension only?
As far as the background of the blog. It is the first time that I hear about a problem with a black background. I could switch the color to a white background with black fonts . If 2 other readers would like for that to happen, I will do so. Nevertheless, I have written another blog with a black background for several years and never heard a complain about it. From my perspective, it actually allows me to pick up my orthographic mistakes better than writing in a white background. It is easier on the eyes from my perspective when I use a black background.
Thank you for your valuable input.
Thank you for your very good question!
It appears through your question that you have a greater capacity for depth, thus; I will respond likewise.
The following line is from a recent Sakar Murli (December 24, 2012 – page 1)
“Only when they become soul conscious can they remember the Father.”
If there is anything about remembrance that a Sakar Murli mentions, I would request that you remember that line above any other.
Why? Because it clearly states that you need to be soul conscious in order to remember the Father.
Please read the answer of a similar question about remembrance:
http://bkgyan.com/2012/11/27/question-dear-brother-please-clarify-this-point-as-it-is-not-clear-to-me-when-we-become-concentrated-awareness-of-the-point-feeling-the-self-how-is-it-possible-to-remember-god-as-remembra/ I would suggest to pass this article around as “service,” for many times we forget to look at Gyan from a deeper stand point and we just want to remain with a childish understanding throughout our lives. Numberwise.
Now, to answer to your question. Once we become soul conscious, we have arrived. There is no separation between “ME,” and the “Father,” because there is no separation as 2 different soul conscious entities between souls, even though paradoxically; they are 2 distinct “points of light.”
And here another paradox: To love only the ONE, means to love everyONE. We cannot love just the ONE in soul consciousness, without loving EVERYONE, for WE ARE ONE.
Because there is no exclusion in soul consciousness. That exclusion only exists in body consciousness.
Therefore, your use of quantum mechanics to explain spirituality is correct. You knew the answer. Now you see how “Pure” deeper Gyan, supports “quantum entanglement.”
In Gyan, we see that we are pieces of the “jigsaw puzzle” which is the Drama. Everything is the Drama and we are part of it, BUT our meaning in this puzzle resides in being in “entanglement,” in relationship.
However, at the body conscious level, there is dependency, attachment and lust instead of love. THAT IS WHY BABA SAYS TO REMEMBER ONLY ONE, BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY REMEMBER ONE WHEN WE ARE IN SOUL CONSCIOUSNESS AND IN SOUL CONSCIOUSNESS ONE MEANS TO BE IN COMMUNION WITH EVERYTHING.
I wish this post gets in the hands of every BK out there. WE have truly deep knowledge hidden in childish understanding.
All is good according to the Drama.