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Question: brother, not getting the part of desires and ambition..it has numerous backlinks :). It is ok that when we come to this path we are contented, this leads to success achieved right here. We know our time is getting used in a right way..that is for sure. But what about the approach to the outer world. If before this path one wants to be top businessman in the world, then should he change it now..coz its not worth it now for contentment also(he is being successful) and for the time also (situations in the world). Generally what happens we are inner top bussinessman and we feel we have everything means everything. But then also new people, new circumstances time to time ask what you have in terms of material? Should the desire continue then to show we have not renounced to the material world including status, good lifestyle etc ..?

Dear soul,

Thank you for your follow up question.

It is not a matter of “changing priorities” because you heard about it, or because some external situation. You have arrived at this path, then follow it the best you can so you can understand it and understand yourself. Spirituality is about self understanding, the rest are details.

It is you who has to realize what things to change in your life. The time will come so it is not a “compulsion.” Since you have arrived to this path and you desire to be “top businessman”… sure, play that game if you wish, but at the same time stay in the spiritual path… Then you will realize by yourself.

Many times people are asked to surrender this or that in the name of a religious belief. Just follow your heart. If spirituality is what you are looking for, things will arrange automatically. No need to struggle. No need to do something to “demonstrate” to others.

A suggestion, something that I learned in life: It is pointless to worry about what people say. You cannot make everyone happy and it is not our task to do it. BK life teaches us to be able to cut all dependencies by simplifying our life style so we can live a life “free from the strings of attachment,” and that includes other people’s opinion. Also, we need to be mindful that in the “world” we need a paycheck to survive unless we received our auntie’s inheritance… 🙂 therefore, we need to play the “game at work.” It is a game. It matters what your boss says between 9 AM and 5 PM in most jobs and if you become a “successful businessman,” for sure your schedule will be longer than that…

Please don’t play the game of “renouncing things of the material world.” Rather, you will get rid of unnecessary things in life as you grow in the understanding of this path. There is no need to renounce when there is understanding. It doesn’t hurt and makes things very easy…

Hope this time I was able to clarify my answer…

Best wishes!

Thought and Thinker – The thought which creates God as a thought

Above is one of the most lucid “talks” I heard on finding out the contradictions of the “one thinking” and the “thought” created by the thinker. We see it as “separation.” – “I must be this.” That is a thought. The thinker is of the same quality as the thought coming. Therefore, the thinker and the thought are the same not 2 different things.

In this realm of separation, is when we see everything with intellectual understanding. As Krishnamurti explained, in this perception the whole being is not involved so, it becomes a partial knowledge of something only through intellectual understanding and that is why in my view, even though we can “understand” knowledge, there is no inner transformation.

Also, Krishnamurti talks about the thought of God. Which is a creation of thought. The thought is not God. The things that we can speak about God are not God. Those are just thoughts about God. Intellectual, partial understanding. Words, thoughts in time about the Timeless.

On that, I could add that to know God means to experience that which is “like God,” the soul, for in that experience there is no longer separation. “Like the Father.” However, that is a personal experience which cannot be explained through words, and that is why even though spirituality is one, we see different teachers with different words trying to get to the same point. Self transformation.

As we go deeper into Gyan, we could “understand” the paradoxes of “being” and non-being,” that is the self and ego. Going beyond that machinery of thoughts, we can feel the meaning of being “absorbed” in complete attention, to be in the “moment.” Then, we will see that there is no “me” in that experience.

This knowledge will allow us to understand today’s blessing in the Sakar Murli (4-16-13): ( Blessing from avyakt Murli)
Blessing: May you be a great renunciate who renounces the respect and position received from service and
who attains imperishable fortune.

The practical fruit of the elevated actions and service that you children do is to be praised by everyone. A server
receives the seat of elevated praise. You receive a seat of honour and status; you definitely attain this success.
However, this success is a step on the way, it is not the final destination. Therefore, renounce it and claim fortune
through that. This is known as being a great renunciate. The speciality of an incognito renunciate is someone who
renounces even any trace of renunciation.

First, anyone can understand the points on renouncing praise and success. But the depth of that blessing is not in that, but in the last part: “The speciality of an incognito renunciate is someone who renounces even any trace of renunciation.”

The only way that I am aware of to renounce renunciation is when there is no “I” renouncing, that is when ego is gone. Then at that point, there is no effort, no need to renounce.