“…I want to understand why there is no permanent liberation from cycle of birth and death. Because if we see the scriptures, it is said that ultimate goal of human life is liberation from cycle of birth and death. But [my guru] says it is not so. But many enlightened persons like Mahavir Swami and others have taught about this goal. Please give your understanding on this.”
Someone contacted me with this question…
Since that question could be used for the “common good,” Avyakt7 has decided to answer it… 🙂
As mentioned many times before, Avyakt7 is not interested in becoming a “guru” or an expert “enlightened being” in the field of spirituality…and certainly Avyakt7 will not give personal advice.
Friend, your question is full of beliefs… also known as “entertainment.”
However, I understand that your mind wants a “clear cut” answer a:” This is right. That is wrong.”
My answer is a paradoxical one as that reflects life itself.
Both gurus are correct in their opposite views. Because of that, both are incorrect at the same time. 🙂
How about that?
That should make your mind happy! 🙂
Friend, your question is something like this:
“Is Ironman more powerful than Spiderman? Batman says “yes.” Superman says “No.” However, the “Amazing Spiderman comic book #9 from 1964” mentions “there is no human being more powerful than a machine.”
From that I can easily assume that Ironman is more powerful, for he is also a machine.”
What is your understanding on this? 🙂
Nowadays, Avyakt7 entertains his mind by watching the 1966 series of “your friendly neighborhood Spiderman” – In color (Big deal back then) whenever time allows it.
I can see that you like to entertain your mind with religious beliefs.
Basically, it is the same thing. The difference is that I know that whatever is going in the screen is entertainment. You may not know that all of those beliefs in the screen of your mind, are just entertainment.
There is no goal. Enjoy the experience of life.
Because I said “enjoy life” you could logically say that to “enjoy life is my goal.” You could say that you arrived to this answer by following rigorous logic, therefore your assumption must be true… 🙂
I’d say: “ Yes and No.” 😉
Friend, If your goal is to become like “Superman” or to follow him, you will be helpless around Kryptonite.
If your goal is to be like Batman or to follow him, you may have a darker side in you…
If your goal is to be like Santa Claus, you may not get a gift… etc.
That is why, Avyakt7 says “become nothing” so you free yourself from all of that.
If you want to define yourself or to enjoy a different consciousness based on mental “entertainment,” you will miss the adventure of discovering your own potential.
Perhaps the one that you are truly looking to be…
Sincerely all the best to you! 🙂
Sometimes Avyakt7 recalls his baby steps in Spirituality, and today he would like to share those realizations in that consciousness.
To know God was everything for Avyakt7. After all, Avyakt7 was told that God was the “greatest of the greatest.”
Avyakt7 was taught different things about God according to different beliefs. If I didn’t behave according to God’s law, I could be punished.
That personality of God was a mystery, but enough to develop some “respect,” some fear towards Him. Many would like to call that “love.”
This God watching/knowing my every step in my life… and at the end, He will show me the “movie” of my life with all the “wrong” things I performed and the reason why I will be in hell for eternity or perhaps the reason why I will not be in Paradise according to a belief.
I guess a congrats! for a “well done job” among all the “mistakes” in the movie of my life, could be easily forgotten among the “celestial higher ups” when punishment is the name of the business.
“To punish is my business.” 🙂 Whip it, Whip it good! 🙂
Of course, the “relationship” with God was a part of that growing up process.
God as the Father could express as a typical father explaining to his kid in the art on how to behave to be out of trouble, but evidently the child needs to grow up, and then the relationship could change into that of a “husband and wife.” Of course, being God, the “God,” he could have many wives and those wives are happy to share their beloved one among many brides… That is the extent of that “one to one” relationship.
Avyakt7 values a good friendship, right now. The child keeps growing…
When Avyakt7 found God, Avyakt7 thought that he had “arrived” to his destination. “I know God” after all.
For some reason, Avyakt7 thought that spirituality was like some human business or affair. “I know the President” so “I get special treatment.” Now, I got some clout!! “I am with God.” 🙂
Repeating the “word of God,” or teaching the “word of God” to others, was a way to only convince myself of my beliefs about God. Many are very happy repeating the “words of God,” the “truth,” to others according to their religious beliefs but for Avyakt7 that wasn’t enough.
That happiness of knowing God, wasn’t lasting; but thanks to that experience, Avyakt7 was able to be in front of another important being, a VIP among all, but equally unknown being: Myself.
After all, “myself” is the source of everything that exists in Avyakt7’s world.
God was a way to discover the self. From that realization, Avyakt7 started to grow in his spiritual life, for to know the self means to transform the self.
Without the experience of “knowing the self,” Avyakt7 could have been lost in some worship practice, after all Avyakt7 has to “butter up” the big boss so I could get Paradise and all the goodies in this life and the afterlife!… 🙂
That is the idea that many have about God and the extent of their understanding. Is that wrong?
No! It is perfect according to what some have to experience. That is why, this is not a “G-rated” writing, but a PG-13 … 🙂
Avyakt7 was looking for something his whole life. From the goodies of the modern world, Avyakt7 was introduced to the peace of God, but from that introduction, Avyakt7 was finally introduced to himself by a very good friend of mine… 🙂 and that is where that happiness resides.
Don’t worry be happy… 🙂 Clear your mind.
To know yourself means to strip yourself from all the burdens, that heavy clothing of beliefs so you see yourself, your mind; naked and from that point, you will be able to choose the more appropriate clothes according to the current weather and circumstances. Things change according to time.
When your mind is completely naked from thoughts and beliefs, that is empty; then your happiness will be expressed in your smile. Is there something “better” than that?
That is what the “truth,” the “word of God,” “to know God” is meant to accomplish, but unfortunately it has been forgotten and all that remains are simple devotional practices.
To transform yourself by cleaning your mind and clearing your heart is the gift of God’s teachings in every religion. That is the task of a few.
To memorize those teachings and to worship the teacher is the task of many.
To each its own.
“A veterinarian was called to examine a ten-year-old Irish Wolfhound named Belker. For the sake of privacy, we’ll call him Dr. Right in our story. The dog’s owners, Ron, his wife Lisa , and their little boy Shane, were all very attached to Belker, and they were hoping for a miracle.
Dr. Right examined Belker and found he was dying of cancer. He told the family they couldn’t do anything for Belker, and offered to perform the euthanasia procedure for the old dog in their home. As they made arrangements, Ron and Lisa told Dr. Right they thought it would be good for six-year-old Shane to observe the procedure. They felt that Shane might learn something from the experience.
The next day, Dr. Right felt the familiar catch in his throat as Belker ‘s family surrounded him. Shane seemed so calm, petting the old dog for the last time, that he wondered if Shane understood what was going on. Within a few minutes, Belker slipped peacefully away. The little boy seemed to accept Belker’s transition without any difficulty or confusion. They all sat together for a while after Belker’s death, wondering aloud about the sad fact that animal lives are shorter than human lives. Shane, who had been listening quietly, piped up, ”I know why.” Startled, they all turned to him. What came out of his mouth next stunned them all. Dr. Right admitted that he’s never heard a more comforting explanation. “It has changed the way I try and live,” he said.
Shane said, ‘People are born so that they can learn how to live a good life — like loving everybody all the time and being nice, right?” The Six-year-old continued, ”Well, dogs already know how to do that, so they don’t have to stay as long.” Yes. True story …”
Let us say that the above paragraph is a true story. Let us say that Shane became a “guru,” for his incredible wisdom at such an early age.
We create the setting of the story. Followers will do the rest.
In the original story, the following is the “add-on” moral teaching:
“Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Remember, if a dog was the teacher you would learn things like: When loved ones come home, always run to greet them. Never pass up the opportunity to go for a joyride. Allow the experience of fresh air and the wind in your face to be pure ecstasy. Take naps. Stretch before rising. Run, romp, and play daily. Thrive on attention and let people touch you. Avoid biting when a simple growl will do. On warm days, stop to lie on your back on the grass. On hot days, drink lots of water and lie under a shady tree. When you’re happy, dance around and wag your entire body. Delight in the simple joy of a long walk. Be loyal. Never pretend to be something you’re not. If what you want lies buried, dig until you find it. When someone is having a bad day, be silent, sit close by, and nuzzle them gently.”
As we can see, the above add-on “sounds nice.” The hero is the dog. In the above “add-on” we have changed the original teaching of “dogs do not need to live longer because they already know those things which humans do not,” into a sentimental, mushy, doggy stuff; which will be accepted and liked by those who already have dogs and understand how a dog behaves.
Make your dog your spiritual teacher… and then “be fair” (another ready-made spiritual keyword) with your cat as well and let him teach you something. 🙂
The issue is the change in teachings to give it “mass acceptance.”
If I would strictly go by the words of Guru Shane, it may seem as if dogs are “better off “ than human beings just because they live shorter lives. Obviously this strict teaching by the words, will not be accepted by the masses but just for those who are in love with Guru Shane, no matter what he says.
On the other hand, in the experience of something similar, that is to see a pet “move on” into “Pet paradise,” we could understand about the different lengths of life of every being and how; the most valuable things about those who we cared in life, still remains with us even when they are gone. That is they became “teachers” by just being themselves.
The above may not be accepted by the “majority” for it is quite impersonal. There is no hero to worship. No emotional triggers to get us hooked into a “touching story.”
Nevertheless, the above goes beyond the words of Guru Shane and his realization with dogs; for we have made that “unlimited.” It is not just about dogs, but about beings. It is not only about their “relative” short life span; but about all lives and their importance in our own life.
There may be many other teachings in this, but the important thing to realize from my perspective; is that we need to experience something to be able to understand the words which are used to point something spiritual to us.
As mentioned in many articles, if we merely go by accepting words and looking up their meaning in a dictionary, we will be misunderstanding any spiritual teaching and making a dogma out of that.
If we try to “interpret” a spiritual teaching, we already are failing in getting the message. We cannot interpret but merely understand if there has been a previous experience in our life which triggers a sudden understanding of things OR if our consciousness is able to see the “Unlimited,” the whole rather than a part.
Spirituality is way beyond reciting slokas and verses or memorizing what the holy scripture or what “God said.”
Spirituality is understanding beyond the intellectual level. It is experience mostly and the rest: Awareness, awaken consciousness.
Article by: BK. T. D. Joseph, Bangalore, India tdjaum(AT)gmail.com – If you have questions or remarks about this article, please contact the author.
Suppose you heard a great joke attributed to somebody. Prima facie, you know that this particular joke was cracked originally in some joyous occasion, but never in a funeral house! Because jokes are designed to make people laugh, not to make them mourn as happens in a funeral house. Similarly, if you really know the essence of Bhagavat Gita, you will immediately come to know whether it was delivered, as conventionally believed, in a physical battle-ground, or in some other time by somebody other than Krishna.
The Essence of Gita
MOVE FROM THE EPHEMERAL TO THE ETERNAL is the thread that runs throughoutThe Gita, as detailed below:
• “Be firmly attached to the Supreme Soul alone,” (2:48, 72; 8:7; 12:6, 7; 10:15; 14:4; 18:62) abandoning all attachment to the results and the temporary security, such as body, objects and relatives. (2:71; 9:33; 18:66)
• Treat “alike” all pairs of opposites such as “heat and cold,” “friend and foe,” “honor and dishonor” which comprehend the entire possibility of experiences in life—physical, mental and intellectual respectively.—Gita 2:14, 38, 45; 12:17-19; 14:24, 25; 18:54.
And this is called Sanatana Dharma or ETERNAL DUTY.—12:20; 14:27
A message of this sort makes no sense in a literal war-field as the listener is ordered to treat “friend and foe alike,” hence would not have been delivered as a prelude to a great war between two conflicted armies. Besides, participants of the so-called war were also not literal. For example, names of the key persons, such as 100 sons of Drutarashtra start with Du which means evil—Duryodhana (one who uses money for evil purposes), Dussasana (one who breathes out evil commands) … etc. No parents would name their children this way from birth before their character unfolds. The weapons purportedly used in Mahabharata War are also prophetic in nature, which would exist only in our period. So is the case with the number of soldiers killed in the war, which is so great a number that can also happen only in our time. [The place where the war was supposed to have taken place, Kurukshetra, is a small village in India which could not have accommodated even a fraction of that army.] Thus, the prophetic nature of Mahabharata (of which Gita is claimed to be a part) picturises a future global situation, climax of the Iron Age, which is actually the time we are now living in, where weapons of mass destruction are a reality and the evils such as “lust, anger and greed” are the actual rulers of the present world system of things.
Who authored Gita?
In its chapter 3, verse 3 says: “O sinless one, at the onset of creation, a two-fold path of spiritual discipline was given by ME to this world: the path of Self-knowledge (Gyan Yoga) for the contemplative, and the path of unselfish work (Karma Yoga) for the active.” Then verse 24 says it is He who sustains the three worlds. Thus these verses clearly identify the author of Gita as the same as the Author of the universe, who is also called “Supreme Ruler of the Universe” and “the Father, the Well-Wisher and the Friend of all beings,” from which SHIVA, the most appropriate personal name of God derives. (Gita 5:29; 9:17; 10:1). [This may remind one of JEHOVA, which also has those two phonetic parts, ‘SHI’ & ‘VA’, meaning Redeemer] He is also called “the origin and the dissolution,” (Gita 9:18) which are the basis of the symbol of Siva Lingam (Lin, Sanskrit, equivalent of laya which means dissolution; gam, from agamaman, which means arrival / comimg). Thus Siva Lingam is a pointer, which stands for that entity which destroys [the heaven-turned hell, now existing on earth] and re-creates [the hell into heaven on earth] that happens at the end of every Kalpa (cycle of 5000 years).—Compare Gita 9:7; 8:17; 4:1-8)
Now who is the actual recipient of the message?
If major elements are all symbolic, then the recipient also should be symbolic. Though various forms of addressing are used, one particular addressing, “O sinless one,” used in Gita 3:3 suggests that Gita message will be actually conveyed, in detail and in absolute clarity, to a group of people whose hallmark will be purity, who will appear on the world scene toward the end of the Iron Age. God Himself identifies them as those “who are rejoiced to hear ME,” those “who know ME as the Supreme Lord of the universe, and are undeluded and free from ALL SINS,” “who are worshipping ME with loving ecstasy [or intoxication],” ‘whose minds remain absorbed in ME and whose lives surrendered unto ME and who always enlighten each other by talking about ME and remain ever content and delighted.’ (Gita 10:1, 3, 8, 9). In other words, God is the ultimate Doer of Good, and so are his children who “do good to all beings,” taking delight in doing so.” (Gita 5:25; 12:4) Those who associate with Brahmakumaris can testify that this description perfectly fits with them.
Why is it called “eternal duty”?
The above-mentioned subject matter (sermon) of Gita is called “eternal duty,” because it is reinforced at the end of each Kalpa (cycle of 5000 years). This is in fulfillment of God’s own promise that He would reincarnate at the end of each Kalpa when there is a sharp decline of righteousness and religiousness on a global scale, which we are experiencing now. (Gita 4:7; 11:18) This means God, the Supreme Father of all souls, has already arrived in our time, has been repeating the Gita, and reestablished Adi Sanatan Devi- Devata Dharm (the Original Eternal Deity Religion), which gets continued in Satyug (Golden Age) and Tretayug (Silver Age) in the next Kalpa / Time Cycle.
Those who associate with Brahma Kumaris experience first-hand the exposition of the essence of Gita through their daily morning class called Murli. By their adherence to this, they naturally become pure, the white-clad Pandavas in a spiritual sense, who fight against vices [the real enemy of man, according to Gita 3:34, 37; 16:21] of Maya as to remain “firmly attached to Supreme Father,” thus to enter into the Golden Age that is already on the horizon!
The Mahabharat story is being played now in this Iron Age (Kaliyug). Let us listen to the divine versions of God delivered at this time, and imbibe them so that we can take part in ushering in the Golden age (Satyug) where all the people would be healthy, wealthy and wise.
Thinking is considered so important in our lives . We value thought. We call thinkers “intelligent,” we are amazed by their use of words and clarity of “thought,” etc.
That becomes another form of “entertainment.” Our value system as a society is meant to reward the “thinkers.” Nevertheless, those thoughts are at the same time the cause of our own “hell.” In fact, it is not that we “are” in hell, but we are in hell, because we think in a “hellish” way.
All we need to do is to watch our thoughts. This thought came. Then another, then “I” created a love story which cannot happen, then I feel sad, upset, etc. Then, my thought will take me into more pain by remembering that scene over and over… and then we say, “time will cure that pain.” However, what we do not seem to realize is that time is an invention of thought.
Because there has been a “lapse” of a recurrent thought due to a “distance,” then that thought diminishes, it goes away. We call that “time.” In fact, the “cure” is in distance, to have a distance from the object which we perceive as the source of our emotional pain. Time has nothing to do with it, because… it doesn’t exist.
Thought is clever in making comparisons as well. We use words which come with “built in” technology to “compare.”
Greater than, wiser, this versus that, lesser, etc, etc.
All of our lives, we have believed that those comparison are reality. As a matter of fact, our society works under those premises . “The best should win,” “Be number one,” “Don’t settle for less,” “Do your best,” etc, Most of those words are clichés now.
Here is where the interesting thing occurs:
We meet Spirituality.
All of the sudden, the world of “all being equal under the eyes of God,” could become a “big lie,” if we know that John is smarter than Guy. Was God able to make John smarter just for the “fun” of it? 🙂
That world of equality becomes senseless, for the physical world shows everything but that. To be competitive is appreciated. To “beat” everyone else is cool.
Under that “thought” when we understand that “few” will go to Heaven and will be saved, and the rest will not… those words, obviously are full of that “comparative” understanding.
How can you understand it any other way when we know that only “selected” ones will enjoy everlasting life and the rest will perish under the gutter of despair and eternal damnation…? 🙂
Then the “better” syndrome appears. Logical. It cannot be otherwise.
Nevertheless, the “lucky ones” have the understanding through this knowledge (Gyan) that souls are equal but numberwise. That means that I cannot compare John with Guy at anytime for they are different even though “equal.” That is a paradox.
John may be more thoughtful but Guy is a blast. John may have a great job, but Guy has the looks… John has the big house, but Guy has many friends… Numberwise.
Further, through this knowledge we know that “we could be equal under God’s eyes” because we are souls like Him, but just acting parts, roles in a cyclical eternal play called the “Drama” of life.
Nevertheless, due to our “comparative” mind, we will be stuck in the role, the ‘acting’ but we will overlook the actors.
“Look, I am an Emperor, but you are a subject.” Comparison.
“Look, I will be in heaven and you will stay here…. in hell.” Comparison.
There is always a way to compare.
Why do we compare? Because there is ego. That is all.
When we stress that comparison, we are not talking “pure” spirituality out of knowledge, but merely using our “old” language from “before” spiritual knowledge. That is “normal” language.
However, we become clever and then we say: “But God Himself talks to us like that!”
Is there any other way that we could understand at least a little bit of what spirituality is? Probably not. Comparisons we understand, numberwise, we do not. Black or white we understand, paradoxes we do not.
That is why we are stuck playing the “little children role…” Throughout all religions, is the same theme… any “holy scripture” has the same old theme.
Nothing wrong with that. All beneficial according to the Drama!
Thank you for your great question!
You are right. The “ideal” will be for the person who translates into English to have experienced himself the teachings in a practical way. That person ideally will need to be acquainted with the culture that he is translating to, so important issues such as”circumstances” surrounding the teachings could be conveyed when appropriate. Moreover, that person will need to have an understanding of the “spirit” of the words in Hindi as they were used rather than a literal translation of the words into English.
For example, when listening to a Sakar Murli, we could hear: “God destroys all other religions.”
Probably that translation is a literal translation by a dictionary. The word “religion” in Western societies is not the same as “Dharma” as used in India. “Dharma” is more encompassing, as “the natural way of things or the natural law.” That has very little to do with what is known as “religions” in the West. We could improve that translation as : “God replaces societies’ old ways/laws with a “new” way.” This phrase conveys the meaning of Dharma without using “shocking words” which are not related with the true meaning of Dharma.
For the records, God does not create neither destroys; (point of “pure” Gyan) thus, even using the word “destruction,” is not an accurate translation to English from my perspective. Westerners do not “digest” that word very well; therefore, misinterpretation by the “reasonable” minds or “logical” computer-like-minded; will take the literal translation to argue about the validity of the teachings. Then it is about “interpreting” that God has favoritism of one religion over the others or that other religions are worthless in the eyes of God. See?
As you can see, it is not easy. That is why those “interpreting” by listening those teachings need to have the openness to see a “map” rather than the “real place” when listening to spiritual teachings.
As our consciousness on recognizing those words in our own experience arise then the understanding will be there; but we cannot “generalize” “my” understanding as “the” understanding. That is what makes it numberwise; that is why any scripture, any “holy book” cannot be taken literally; for the consciousness of spirituality does not reside in literal interpretation of words but in your experience of those words.
Congrats for that realization!
The paradoxical aspects of reality are finally starting to be grasped by “quantum physics.” There is a possibility, a chance a “hidden card,” which cannot be known by traditional physics and science.
Realizing not knowing is progress leading into knowing.
When we translate that “finding,” in our reality as human beings; we realize that we are not only “humans,” but “beings.” We realize that to be only in the consciousness of a “human,” is not allowing us to see the other half. At the same time, discovering “being” means to realize that we live in the world of humans. That is the balance.
Gyan is very paradoxical; that is why it is very difficult to be understood by “normal” people who have been indoctrinated in analysis, logic and reason alone. The truth is more than that, and I cannot define it or cage it in words.
In Gyan we have the paradox of “free will and predestination.” We have the paradox of “our future is your past and your past is your future.” We have the paradox of the “unique moment,” which will always come back. We have the paradox of being multidimensional beings according to our consciousness: physical, subtle or the soul.
In spirituality and the knowledge of the self; all of that will take us into the paradox of “knowing or perceiving,” the paradox of ego and egoless-ness, the paradox of being trapped in physical consciousness with emotions and dual thoughts; then to move into a subtle consciousness through feelings, to realize the being, the naked self… however, that is not it… then comes “non-being.”
In Gyan those words are represented through the experience of the physical reality which transforms into a more subtle reality to then be aware of the soul which eventually will “return home,” that is to a world of “non- being-ness.” Once there is that “experience” (There is no “experiencer” at that point) then the cycle will repeat, through the experience of the physical realm again. It is a cycle.
The above knowledge is not a “trademark” of Gyan alone. It is “universal knowledge” of the self. The issue is that it has been “interpreted” in different ways by different people who have not had the experience themselves and then used words “literally” not realizing that spirituality cannot be conveyed literally in words. That experience escapes words.
Christianity is a good example of the above. The teachings that we know about Christianity at this point in time being taught, are not really from Christ. Those teachings have been interpreted by the main “disciple,” that is Paul. That is what we usually know.
St. Paul was a roman citizen. He had more education than any other disciple. He was part of the “in” group of the time. He was part of the “higher-ups” at that time.
To make the point, the verse in Matthew 5:39 (TRANSLATED BY THE NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION) mentions: “But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.”
The above is a profound teaching. Here are some interpretations:
and some quotes from Nietzsche, (whose writings I used to enjoy in my teenager days.)
As we can see, everyone has its own interpretation; everyone who does not have an experience on ego, duality, karma and the roles of the soul. An interpretation without Spirituality.
The path of non-resistance has been practiced by many. Gandhi had his own version. At the spiritual level it could mean to “accept” and to strip down that ego who believes in “possessing things.” – “My cheek.” Then, here is everything else for you… 🙂 Buddha also taught something similar when someone spitted on his face. He thanked that person for the opportunity he had to find if there was any anger in him. He told that person that he didn’t have anger. Then when that person came back the next day to ask for forgiveness; Buddha told him that there was nothing to forgive, for that was “yesterday,” and he wasn’t angry. However, if that sense of guilt was so great in him, he could ask for forgiveness to his disciple Ananda, who in fact; became angry by the action of this person.
Different “interpretations” according to our state of consciousness. Many let themselves be taken literally by what the words mean, when the spiritual meaning could be behind those words and could be understood by those who have experienced the experience. Those teachings cannot be understood by the “normal” people who only have analysis, logic and reason in their heads; for spirituality is paradoxical; in the realm of “being and non-being.”