When BapDada mentions in the Avyakt Murlis that “we should have unlimited disinterest,” how do you interpret that? 🙂
The traditional interpretation is that of “apathy,” that is lack of interest, enthusiasm, concern, indifference for worldly things… right? No?? 🙂
Let me illustrate with examples: “This world is full of Maya- illusions. I have “unlimited disinterest” for everything but Godly service.”
“This world is hell, I have distaste for it.” Or to put it in “nicer words,” I have “unlimited disinterest” of this world.
The religious aspect of it is to “separate” Godly from non-Godly. To “do” Godly is “right,” to “do” anything else is “waste of time,” even though, Godly means to “relate” with that which is considered “non-Godly” so it could become “Godly.” 🙂
When we only dare to look at the sun from the small window of our house, we will miss the potential of experiencing the sunshine by venturing a bit further. We could coverup that attitude in life as “Unlimited disinterest.” It happens…
Now, let me illustrate “Unlimited disinterest” by this known story of Hakuin (Zen master)
“The Zen Master Hakuin was praised by his neighbors as one living a pure life.
A beautiful Japanese girl whose parents owned a food store, lived near him. Suddenly without any warning, her parents discovered she was pregnant with a child.
This made her parents angry. She would not confess who the man was, but after much harassment at last named Hakuin.
In great anger the parents went to the master, “Is that so?” was all he would say.
After the child was born it was brought to Hakuin. By this time he had lost his reputation, which did not trouble him, but he took very good care of the child. He obtained milk from his neighbors and everything else the little one needed.
A year later the girl-mother could stand it no longer. She told her parents the truth—that the real father of the child was a young man who worked in the fishmarket.
The mother and the father of the girl at once went to Hakuin to ask his forgiveness, to apologize at length, and to get the child back again.
Hakuin was willing. In yielding the child, all he said was: “Is that so?”
In this story we can observe how Hakuin behaved. He accepted life as it came to him. He wasn’t fighting against it. Praise and Defamation (As BapDada mentions) were treated the same.
For Hakuin, that duality was experienced with “unlimited disinterest.” That is, an openness to the Drama of life. that is not apathy or indifference at all but the opposite.
The above story, has been interpreted by many others in different ways; however, when we have the knowledge, Gyan we can have a great perspective of life that no one else could have. We know of an “eternally predestined Drama,” then; how can we “judge” things for the way they appear to us, without knowing the full consequence of it? the full story? and even then, by knowing that it is a “movie” does it make any sense to judge it?
In the example above, we see “embracing” that which for many will be considered “good or evil” as being equal, there is no difference. As a “detached observer,” Hakuin was merely, observing the “movie” and even pronouncing the same words (Is that so?) in “his defense,” and acting in an egoless manner. It is a movie. Hakuin is “performing his role” but that role is not a consequence of ego, but a consequence of “flowing with life,” as life offers things, as we know the Drama.
Note the complete centeredness, self reliance and trust in life that is needed to do that. Paradoxically, is not being done by “someone.” It happens when there is no “I” to do things, that is “unlimited disinterest.” Apparently, there is a “disinterest” going, but there is none. Hakuin is dynamically acting in the movie of life without that ego which has a choice in “duality,” that ego which rejects and judges, that ego which “thinks too much” about the “pros” and “cons” for the benefit of the “self” before acting. That ego which loves to divide “me” and the “others.”
“Unlimited disinterest” is true selfness. It is not a matter of “definitions” of words to live by, but the experience of trust in life and its processes or as BapDada puts it, a trust in “Drama, God and the self.”
Interesting question, Thank you.
“Unlimited disinterest, ” is not a dictionary word to look up. It is an experience and if you have experienced it, you will see that it is the most “positive” thing there is. It is the complete “opposite” of negativity.
Let me describe what I have experienced. “Unlimited disinterest” is a sense of knowing that everything which happens in our life is just an scene in the Drama and we have experienced that before.
Please do not take that from the “intellectual” viewpoint, but though gyan we are able to feel it and to watch things happening from a “distance.” That means that “normal” things do not bother you at all. One example in my life is the ‘importance’ that I gave to having a job. I had a well paid job at one point in my career and money in the bank as well. Once i lost that job, I started to panic. Even though I had money in the bank, I wanted to get a job similar to the one I had. This happened early in my BK “spiritual career.” I did not have faith in the Drama. I heard that many times in the Murli, but practically, I had none. I wanted things my way, and i wanted those things NOW.
I learned through life “pains” to have trust in the Drama as I saw how things worked out beautifully as long as spirituality was my main objective. I have been in so many jobs since then, and even though my monies were gone, I have never had a problem as far as how I will survive tomorrow. The Drama/Baba took care of me. Recently and after many years, the Drama gave me a job similar to what I had before, even when my “skills” in that particular trade were obsolete. That gave me faith in the Drama, so when a person is suffering because they lost a job; i am “detached” from that suffering.
I understand the suffering of that person, because I have been through it; but at the same time I had the faith that the Drama will provide when the time comes. In a few words, That episode of losing employment does not affect me anymore. Not because I have a bank account or because I know a VIP in such and such position, but because I know about the Drama. This is unlimited disinterest based on gyan. In that stage I could be supportive of that person without her “issues” affecting me.
In your case, doing “Godly service” can happen at any place at any time and in any circumstance. You are doing Godly service when you are with lokiks, no when you go away from them. BUT, you will “do real Godly service” when you have imbibed this knowledge, when there is “self service” first.
I have the impression that you feel that doing “Godly service” is to be a center niwasi, (being away from lokiks) dress in white and wear your badge for ‘official service.’ Nothing wrong with that if that is your call in life, but that is not the only way. Service is unlimited and for that, we need unlimited disinterest for then we become a “care free” emperor, a true child of the Almighty Father.
To answer your question now: It is unlimited disinterest if you feel that you want to help others. It is “negativity” if you feel that you want to get out of this world, this “lokik” world to be with “Godly Swans” only so you can serve the “lokiks.”
There couldn’t be service when there is division between the “lokiks” and the “alokiks.”